ultimate woodsball league vid

[kyle925]

New scenario format. Interesting ... what do you think? I went to their website and has more variation than SPPL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuPbY219NR8

[Sandman 26]

I've seen a little bit about this a few other places, and it definitely looks like its got great potential. I'm going to try and look over that website today at work, learn a little more.

Nice find on the vid!

[badmoon]

im in 4 sure i heard their will be one in chicago. im so very very in.dribble:)

[Shaman]

Its a unique and interesting format - very similar to SPPL. There are quite a few loop holes in the rules and such but a few seasons will iron out the details.

I like how the pump "sniper" is essentially a 11th player.

The league is geared towards the woodsball community but seems that speedball teams could dominate the league like Smart Corps does with the SPPL.

Looks like a fun format! beret:)

[Sandman 26]

Its a unique and interesting format - very similar to SPPL. There are quite a few loop holes in the rules and such but a few seasons will iron out the details.

I like how the pump "sniper" is essentially a 11th player.

The league is geared towards the woodsball community but seems that speedball teams could dominate the league like Smart Corps does with the SPPL.

Looks like a fun format! beret:)

Yea, the rules will definitely need a tweak or tow, and the way the sniper position works is pretty interesting.

I think the reason speedball-type teams win in the SPPL and other such formats, is the size of the field. The UWL is roughly a football field wide and long, so its a relatively small scale. Favoring a faster game, and therefore teams designed for speed will obviously have an upper hand.
The problem is a bigger field would probably just take to long to play, but that will always depend on the players and what the majority wants.

[Cpt. Patches]

the small fields definitely tilt it in their favor. i played a team in an sppl game in a very open course and we just couldnt take the speed and crazy amount of paint. i want to see a true woodsball team on top soon. it can be done.

[EZD]

I have played many time against Tom. Tom and Bad Company even ref a tournament I was in at Adventure Zone back with the first owner, Brent.

I sent an email to the UWL a month ago and still waiting to hear back.





Skill Class - I love that and what it implies!!

[EZD]

WoW

I just got off the phone to Tom Cole, he came across this thread through goggle and call me.

He said the dates are set for 2009 but we should have a chance in 2010 of having a UWL tournament.

Will find out more in August-Sept.

Check it out and let start practicing.

http://www.playuwl.com

[cutstep]

the small fields definitely tilt it in their favor. i played a team in an sppl game in a very open course and we just couldnt take the speed and crazy amount of paint. i want to see a true woodsball team on top soon. it can be done.


I dont want to get on a speedball vs woodsball thing (for the record I much prefer the woods to the balloons) but the reason those teams tend to win they hone their particular set of skills to a very fine point and at that part of the game its just all about the angles and firepower and movement... the reason smart corps wins all the time is because they have some of the best players to play the game over the last twenty years, the old all americans. if the ironmen or russian legion of today played against any team in the sppl they would likely win because they are made up of the best players around... large field, small field I dont think it matters very much, the players with the gun skills are going to win.... the edge of a tree is the same as the edge of dorito....

[Edgar]

Cutstep,you are right on!!
which means we need to practice,practice,practice,cause i hope to play this formate.

[slick assasin]

I'm with Cutstep on this one.
There is always the debate between woodsball and speedball but at the end of the day they are both paintball. Granted, they may be played on different size fields with different types of cover but they ultimately have the same objective, shoot the other guy before he shoots you. Paintball like any other sport, no matter what anyone says, is athletic. Granted there are people who would be considered "un-athletic" who excel in pb but there are always exceptions, example; Ryan howard or Manny Ramirez, not extremely athletic guys just loads of natural talent.
That said, an athletic person with the same experiance as a less athletic person is probably going to have certain advantages. When I say "athletic" refering to paintball I am refering to speed and manuverability. I hear way too many people using the excuses that the other team (fast, aggressive, speedball, whatever) dominated because they just ran around and shot a lot of paint...duh! There is no rule in paintball, woods or speedball that says you have to crawl around and snipe people. Granted, sniping is crazy fun, but unfortunately in anything other than large scenarios isn't very effective. Ultimately what it comes down to is strategy, and in paintball speed and loads of paint usually trump sneaking around. I'm not saying there is no place for "slower" play in paintball because I think paintball has something for everyone, what I'm saying is that in competition putting constant pressure on the other team will 9 times out of 10 win the game. Just because you can't/don't want to change your style doesn't mean the other guy isn't playing the game the right way. It doesn't matter if you think shooting a lot of paint or running the whole game isn't what it's all about, if he beats you his strategy is better end of story.
The second thing I always hear is that the small fields cater to the fast players. This is true, but I would argue that a large field would cater to them as well. It really has nothing to do with field size because the same things would happen on a larger field as well, the faster team is going to take more ground on the horn and eventually push the other team back it will just take longer on a larger field.
Basicly, and this is purely my opinion, it all comes down to skill. As much as us woodsballers hate to hear it, speedballers usually have more technical ability that woods players. Why is this? Because they have to. If you cant run, slide, or switch shooting hands quickly in airball you probably aren't going to last too long. I have yet too see a guy with an A5 , stock, and remote switch shooting hands when shooting out of the opposite side of a bunker (nothing against mil-simmers, just an example)
Next is gear. I always hear the term "speedball gun", there is no gun that is used in speedball that can'd be used in woodsball with equal effectiveness. These guns are "high end" guns, not speedball guns and as much as people want to argue it, a DM or Angel is going to be lighter, quicker, and more accurate than a $200 A-5. I have nothing against A-5's or 98's or any other marker in that category bacause they are great markers and all have their place in the game. It's the fact that smaller, lighter markers are more effective in a game that obviously caters to speed.
They have developed tournaments to cater to the mil-sim crowd, tournaments like Tac-Ten where you only have a limited ammount of ammo and fast play doesn't always win the game. I have however heard that the most successfull teams in Tac-Ten usually run through eliminating the other team and then complete the missions...so I guess maybe there aren't exceptions?
With all this said I think it is time us woodsballers stop making excuses about the other guys running all over us, shooting fast, and cheating and step our game up so we can actually compete. I hear so much that speedballers are all whiping paint and cheat to win. As someone who plays both I can honestly say that I see way more cheating in woods/scenario than I do in speedball. My thought for this is the fact that refs can't see the whole game but that's only my opinion.
Once again, just my 2 cents. I just hope someday paintball will just be paintball no matter what style you play.

[Cpt. Patches]

I'm with Cutstep on this one.
There is always the debate between woodsball and speedball but at the end of the day they are both paintball. Granted, they may be played on different size fields with different types of cover but they ultimately have the same objective, shoot the other guy before he shoots you. Paintball like any other sport, no matter what anyone says, is athletic. Granted there are people who would be considered "un-athletic" who excel in pb but there are always exceptions, example; Ryan howard or Manny Ramirez, not extremely athletic guys just loads of natural talent.
That said, an athletic person with the same experiance as a less athletic person is probably going to have certain advantages. When I say "athletic" refering to paintball I am refering to speed and manuverability. I hear way too many people using the excuses that the other team (fast, aggressive, speedball, whatever) dominated because they just ran around and shot a lot of paint...duh! There is no rule in paintball, woods or speedball that says you have to crawl around and snipe people. Granted, sniping is crazy fun, but unfortunately in anything other than large scenarios isn't very effective. Ultimately what it comes down to is strategy, and in paintball speed and loads of paint usually trump sneaking around. I'm not saying there is no place for "slower" play in paintball because I think paintball has something for everyone, what I'm saying is that in competition putting constant pressure on the other team will 9 times out of 10 win the game. Just because you can't/don't want to change your style doesn't mean the other guy isn't playing the game the right way. It doesn't matter if you think shooting a lot of paint or running the whole game isn't what it's all about, if he beats you his strategy is better end of story.
The second thing I always hear is that the small fields cater to the fast players. This is true, but I would argue that a large field would cater to them as well. It really has nothing to do with field size because the same things would happen on a larger field as well, the faster team is going to take more ground on the horn and eventually push the other team back it will just take longer on a larger field.
Basicly, and this is purely my opinion, it all comes down to skill. As much as us woodsballers hate to hear it, speedballers usually have more technical ability that woods players. Why is this? Because they have to. If you cant run, slide, or switch shooting hands quickly in airball you probably aren't going to last too long. I have yet too see a guy with an A5 , stock, and remote switch shooting hands when shooting out of the opposite side of a bunker (nothing against mil-simmers, just an example)
Next is gear. I always hear the term "speedball gun", there is no gun that is used in speedball that can'd be used in woodsball with equal effectiveness. These guns are "high end" guns, not speedball guns and as much as people want to argue it, a DM or Angel is going to be lighter, quicker, and more accurate than a $200 A-5. I have nothing against A-5's or 98's or any other marker in that category bacause they are great markers and all have their place in the game. It's the fact that smaller, lighter markers are more effective in a game that obviously caters to speed.
They have developed tournaments to cater to the mil-sim crowd, tournaments like Tac-Ten where you only have a limited ammount of ammo and fast play doesn't always win the game. I have however heard that the most successfull teams in Tac-Ten usually run through eliminating the other team and then complete the missions...so I guess maybe there aren't exceptions?
With all this said I think it is time us woodsballers stop making excuses about the other guys running all over us, shooting fast, and cheating and step our game up so we can actually compete. I hear so much that speedballers are all whiping paint and cheat to win. As someone who plays both I can honestly say that I see way more cheating in woods/scenario than I do in speedball. My thought for this is the fact that refs can't see the whole game but that's only my opinion.
Once again, just my 2 cents. I just hope someday paintball will just be paintball no matter what style you play.

I would just like to add that i have a 98, stock and remote and i switch hands during play tongue:) haha but i agree, you do not see this happen very often with the mil-simers. then again i dont think it is quite as necessary in scenario play as in speedball, but still carries advantages.

And, when we got beat by the speedball team at the sppl tourny we didnt notice them being cheaters or bad sports so it might have disproved the stereotype. We got beat because they were faster than us fair and square.

I think in most cases the woodsballers have a way with tactics and manuervers rather than just the skill part....probably why i would rather have a guy from MN militia as a general in the GBG than a speedballer....but who knows, im biased cuz i stick to the woods most of the time

oh and to make sure my post is on topic: The UWL sounds like a lot of fun. i hope it makes it to splat tag or combat!

[slick assasin]

I would just like to add that i have a 98, stock and remote and i switch hands during play tongue:)

I didn't say there weren't players that could't do it, I said I've never seen it



And, when we got beat by the speedball team at the sppl tourny we didnt notice them being cheaters or bad sports so it might have disproved the stereotype. We got beat because they were faster than us fair and square

I deffinately wasn't trying to single you out by any means, I just hear this arguement A LOT




oh and to make sure my post is on topic: The UWL sounds like a lot of fun. i hope it makes it to splat tag or combat!

This would be very cool

[Krutsie]

I'm with Cutstep on this one.
There is always the debate between woodsball and speedball but at the end of the day they are both paintball. Granted, they may be played on different size fields with different types of cover but they ultimately have the same objective, shoot the other guy before he shoots you. Paintball like any other sport, no matter what anyone says, is athletic. Granted there are people who would be considered "un-athletic" who excel in pb but there are always exceptions, example; Ryan howard or Manny Ramirez, not extremely athletic guys just loads of natural talent.
That said, an athletic person with the same experiance as a less athletic person is probably going to have certain advantages. When I say "athletic" refering to paintball I am refering to speed and manuverability. I hear way too many people using the excuses that the other team (fast, aggressive, speedball, whatever) dominated because they just ran around and shot a lot of paint...duh! There is no rule in paintball, woods or speedball that says you have to crawl around and snipe people. Granted, sniping is crazy fun, but unfortunately in anything other than large scenarios isn't very effective. Ultimately what it comes down to is strategy, and in paintball speed and loads of paint usually trump sneaking around. I'm not saying there is no place for "slower" play in paintball because I think paintball has something for everyone, what I'm saying is that in competition putting constant pressure on the other team will 9 times out of 10 win the game. Just because you can't/don't want to change your style doesn't mean the other guy isn't playing the game the right way. It doesn't matter if you think shooting a lot of paint or running the whole game isn't what it's all about, if he beats you his strategy is better end of story.
The second thing I always hear is that the small fields cater to the fast players. This is true, but I would argue that a large field would cater to them as well. It really has nothing to do with field size because the same things would happen on a larger field as well, the faster team is going to take more ground on the horn and eventually push the other team back it will just take longer on a larger field.
Basicly, and this is purely my opinion, it all comes down to skill. As much as us woodsballers hate to hear it, speedballers usually have more technical ability that woods players. Why is this? Because they have to. If you cant run, slide, or switch shooting hands quickly in airball you probably aren't going to last too long. I have yet too see a guy with an A5 , stock, and remote switch shooting hands when shooting out of the opposite side of a bunker (nothing against mil-simmers, just an example) Next is gear. I always hear the term "speedball gun", there is no gun that is used in speedball that can'd be used in woodsball with equal effectiveness. These guns are "high end" guns, not speedball guns and as much as people want to argue it, a DM or Angel is going to be lighter, quicker, and more accurate than a $200 A-5. I have nothing against A-5's or 98's or any other marker in that category bacause they are great markers and all have their place in the game. It's the fact that smaller, lighter markers are more effective in a game that obviously caters to speed.
They have developed tournaments to cater to the mil-sim crowd, tournaments like Tac-Ten where you only have a limited ammount of ammo and fast play doesn't always win the game. I have however heard that the most successfull teams in Tac-Ten usually run through eliminating the other team and then complete the missions...so I guess maybe there aren't exceptions?
With all this said I think it is time us woodsballers stop making excuses about the other guys running all over us, shooting fast, and cheating and step our game up so we can actually compete. I hear so much that speedballers are all whiping paint and cheat to win. As someone who plays both I can honestly say that I see way more cheating in woods/scenario than I do in speedball. My thought for this is the fact that refs can't see the whole game but that's only my opinion.
Once again, just my 2 cents. I just hope someday paintball will just be paintball no matter what style you play.

I can do it also but I gotta make sure I dont pull my shoulder out of soccet.LOL

[Goat]

i play both speed ball and woods ball..:scared0012: there is differences but they are both the sport ive learned skills from speed ball that i can use in woods ball and vise virsa i have no problem playing one or the other. there is no favorite.. paintballs just paintball..
focus:)

this leauge is going to be great! its awesome idea he brings up a good point that they started in the woods... so did everyone else. awesome! after nppl was lost i thought paintball on tv was gone forever and we would have to watch webcasts like i do for psp lol. i hope this leauge brings this sport back in some way

[Ish]

I can do it also but I gotta make sure I dont pull my shoulder out of soccet.LOL

LIES!!!!!


on the other hand... UWL does look cool and sounds like it will be a fun thing to play in

[Krutsie]

LIES!!!!!


on the other hand... UWL does look cool and sounds like it will be a fun thing to play in

I was making a joke.

[Ish]

I was making a joke.

lol I thought i was laughing:)tongue:):)

[Cpt. Patches]

I didn't say there weren't players that could't do it, I said I've never seen it




I deffinately wasn't trying to single you out by any means, I just hear this arguement A LOT





This would be very cool

yup i know you werent tryin to single me out and stuff haha and yeah i hear that argument a lot too. And I dunno i just wanted to make myself feel special by telling you guys that i shoot righty and lefty with my tippy beret:)