tippmann pistol

[Sarge]

Well for those of you who don't keep up with paintball news tippmann has been talking about this new pistol they're making. Well they've recently released a picture and some info on it.
http://i34.tinypic.com/295z2n7.jpg
Basically it's going to be mag feed with paint, and in the front it's going to have the 12 gram. The 12 gram change out is supposed to be very fast. You have to take a shot to pierce the 12 gram. I like that design better then the tac-8 personally. But what do you guys think? I'm interested.

[*mess*Chain_gang]

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[nchittendon]

From what I've heard, and this is only hear-say, it's supposed to be around the $200 mark. Mags are supposed to be around the $20 mark.

[Thalion]

There's been a lot of chatter about this over on SO.

My take on it:

Pros:
+12 gram and paint independent of each other
+cheaper magazines

Cons:
-clamshell (like their other markers, not better materials)
-made by a company who's reputation has been losing ground for some time (since the buyout/merger, QC has gone down the tubes)

I'm on the fence -- I doubt I'll buy one. I have too much gear as it is.

[Erndogg]

I personally like the way it looks, but looks aint every thing. If its clamshell design, I will probably just stay away from it. I have enough trouble keeping every thing in place when I have to clean the 98, I dont need another one that works like that.

[nchittendon]

From what I've heard, and this is only hear-say, it's supposed to be around the $200 mark. Mags are supposed to be around the $20 mark.

Oh, and I was wrong......mags are to be 2 for $20.

I don't really mind the clamshell. I hear that complaint a lot, but it doesn't seem to bother me. I guess I'm just used to it.......rather, made myself get used to it. haha

[Sarge]

Oh, and I was wrong......mags are to be 2 for $20.

I don't really mind the clamshell. I hear that complaint a lot, but it doesn't seem to bother me. I guess I'm just used to it.......rather, made myself get used to it. haha

lol same here, A-5 was my first gun, so I learned the clamshell design right away. And with all the feature this baby has I really dont care.

[Vander]

There's been a lot of chatter about this over on SO.
Cons:
-made by a company who's reputation has been losing ground for some time (since the buyout/merger, QC has gone down the tubes)


I'd have to agree with Thalion on this point... Tippmann's quality has really been slipping. Seems like many fields are looking at the BTs for rentals now as well.

However Tippmann has the capital backing them, and they know how to market their products (they know how to steal ideas too... ask Badger). So with mass production they open a market for loads of modifications too. Pretty smart when you sell a product with intentionally low quality (plastic) internals/parts thereby contributing to a thriving "modifications" market; making their customers pay twice... but who doesn't like to tech and upgrade their stuff, you know? ...pretty smart...

Tippmann knows business... they really do.

[nchittendon]

Vander is spot-on. It's Business 101. Know your target, and then figure out how to get the most money out of them.

Well, anyone read the forums? Paintballers as a whole, don't want to spend the money, that's why they make the stuff themselves. So, make a cheap marker. A lot of guys don't really pay attention to how much money they have wrapped up in their upgrades. So, I would say Tippmann has it in the bag. Tiberius offers quality stuff, but a bit on the pricey side. Tippmann offers cheaper prices, but you can really invest a lot of money building on their platforms.

[Ish]

I'd have to agree with Thalion on this point... Tippmann's quality has really been slipping. Seems like many fields are looking at the BTs for rentals now as well.

However Tippmann has the capital backing them, and they know how to market their products (they know how to steal ideas too... ask Badger). So with mass production they open a market for loads of modifications too. Pretty smart when you sell a product with intentionally low quality (plastic) internals/parts thereby contributing to a thriving "modifications" market; making their customers pay twice... but who doesn't like to tech and upgrade their stuff, you know? ...pretty smart...

Tippmann knows business... they really do.

totaly agree the only down side with the low quality is last year i had 1 friends buy the new alpha black and right out of the box the power tubes were cracked. he returned it and after 2 games the tube went out agian.. it kinda makes their name look bad to players that wern't planing on upgrading.
(after the power tube went out agian i threw in a old 98 tube i had laying around and he hasn't had a problem since).
I like tippmann and have always told new players that they are good markers for the money but here reasantly i've been pushing BT's to new players that want a marker that can stand up to hard play and low problems.

[Vander]

I should clarify, Ish...

I admire Tippmann for their business accolades. I do not admire their products (lately). I agree with you that BT is the way to go these days for reliability and value.

The point that I failed to make was to advise others not to purchase this pistol. It may turn out like the X-7 product launch. And may have the same "issues".

The X-7 is sold with some real ****** parts for $300 retail, right? The stock barrel is a joke; the internals (cyclone feed, powertube/ bolt) are plastic and wear out or break pretty fast. Right there the upgrades to replace these ****** parts will cost as much as $200 (or more) to get the X-7 to perform.

So... $500 for a "decent" mechanical trigger woodsball marker. Now who here knows of a better way to spend $500? haha!

Oh...and I will admit to getting sucked into the Tippmann marketing hype for the X-7. I have one :rolleye0018:

[Drachen]

So uh...last I heard the prototype for the pistol was stolen at World Cup.

Anyone know if they got it back? Or are they just continuing on without it?

It looks cool, but I'll stick with my USP :cool:

[Sarge]

So uh...last I heard the prototype for the pistol was stolen at World Cup.

Anyone know if they got it back? Or are they just continuing on without it?

It looks cool, but I'll stick with my USP :cool:

They weren't able to get it back, but they're still carrying on with it.

[specops23]

should be nice!

[JJohnson]

Have they set a release date yet? I'm guessing they will have it out by spring.

[Sarge]

Have they set a release date yet? I'm guessing they will have it out by spring.

I heard Jan-Feb but with screw ups I say spring/early summer.

[Panther]

The TPX68 is now on the Tippmann website (http://tippmann.com/usa/product_guide/markerDetails.aspx?category=TPX), with a "coming mid-April" notice.

this looks killer...

The new TPX .68 Caliber Paintball Pistol is an exciting new compact design that will be dependable, lightweight, easy to maintain and customizable. Check out these features below or click on the pistol features above and watch for the official launch planned in mid April.

• Metal Trigger Punctures C02 On First Pull
• Self-Locking 8-Ball Magazine Clip
• Quick Release Magazine Feed System
• Under Barrel 12 Gram C02 Air System
• Easy To Load 1/4 Turn C02 Cap
• External Velocity Adjuster
• Internal Regulator
• Ability to Add Remote Line
• Ergonomically Designed Grip
• Covered Ammo Windows
• Removable Barrel with X7 Threads
• Maintenance kit is optional
• Deluxe carrying case is optional
• Coming mid-April!

Caliber: 68

Action: Semi-automatic
Power: CO2

Hopper Capacity:
CO2 Capacity: 12g

Feed rate: 8bps
Firing rate: 8bps

Trigger: Standard
Barrel length: 6 1/4"

Length: 10 7/8" long
Weight: 1lb 11oz

Effective Range: 150+ ft

[EZD]

http://www.tippmann.com/usa/product_guide/markerDetails.aspx?category=TPX

http://www.tippmann.com/Images/Image/pistolTexturizedTPX_hs.jpg

[Thalion]

So I was a real cynic of this thing for a while...

but after looking at Tippmann's webpage, I think it actually has some potential. We'll see how it does for a while.

[EZD]

Thinking of given these out as prizes at Jungle Rumbles and the Giant Big Game.

Have to see when they come out.

[the_real_kaz]

If i get a pistol again, it'll probbly be this one. It looks sweet!!

Any idea on a for sure price?

[JJohnson]

If i get a pistol again, it'll probbly be this one. It looks sweet!!

Any idea on a for sure price?

It's a Tippmann, so i'm guessing $200 max. That'll make it cheaper than the Tiberius, and I heard that clips are supposed to cost like 1/4 as much as Tiberius clips.

[the_real_kaz]

Thats a big plus. I like have 5 or more extra clips.

[C4 Explosives]

Since the clips don't hold the C02 they can be cheaper. Not sure what the clips look like for this new pistol, but they could just be cheap plastic strip clips like the SMG 60.

Found this yesterday:

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/spo/1056162879.html

[the_real_kaz]

lol wow thats awsome old school.

doubt the clips will be cheap plastic... plus that dosn't stop people from buying an Ion..

[JJohnson]

lol wow thats awsome old school.

doubt the clips will be cheap plastic... plus that dosn't stop people from buying an Ion..

^ Smarts Parts hater alert:rolleyes:

Yeah too bad the SMG doesn't use .68 caliber paintballs....

[EZD]

To bad we can't get 62 cal paintballs ;)

[JJohnson]

To bad we can't get 62 cal paintballs ;)

Do they still make any? Or are you totally outta luck if you have a SMG 60?

[TeaBuffalo]

lol wow thats awsome old school.

doubt the clips will be cheap plastic... plus that dosn't stop people from buying an Ion..


Or a PMR, or a SLG, or a Pro Lite, or a Pro Carb....

The list goes on, and on....

Never mind the cheap plastic **** on the A5 and the X7, you don't think Tippmann is going to use cheap plastic? Come now..


It is a pretty sweet looking pistol, I am anxious to get one in my hand, cheap plastic and all.

[Shaman]

On Mcarterbrown, a few members got test cases of .62 cal paint from a company in china. The alpha and beta tests went well, so hopefully it will be around. I cant find the link now but its there if you look. If its true then we will see a bunch of SMG 60's come out of the closet! (including mine!)

The tippmann pistol looks pretty good, not oversized grips like the Tac 8. Excited for it to come out! I heard a rumor of two clips for $20, if so wow! beret:)

[the_real_kaz]

Or a PMR, or a SLG,

Don't get me started on the PMR and SLG eaither...

What is plastic on the A-5 other than the hopper??

People ususally choose to put plastic stuff on tippmanns, tippmann dosn't make it like that.

[TeaBuffalo]

Let's see..

The grip, the cocking handle, the power tube (which is a known problem), the trigger, everything in the cyclone (huge problem).

The only plastic on the Ion is the body kit and trigger. The frame and breech are all metal. For the money, it is a very solid marker with good performance.

[the_real_kaz]

Let's see..

The grip, the cocking handle, the power tube (which is a known problem), the trigger, everything in the cyclone (huge problem).

The only plastic on the Ion is the body kit and trigger. The frame and breech are all metal. For the money, it is a very solid marker with good performance.

the grip.... I guess.... The cocking handle isn't a problem, the trigger is the grip so ok and the rest is the hopper. The core of the marker isn't plastic. Sure Ions work great for the first day. Then their hoses break, or the board, or the board harness (one of the worst ever made), or the body melts.. yea i've seen it happen.

[TeaBuffalo]

Well, I've had my Ion for two years now and it has never let me down on the field. I've never had a hose break, although I did have to do a very simple solder on the board.

I replace more power tubes and cyclone ratchets than I have any Ion part. I would be really curious how MELTING the body was caused by manufacturer defect. I think you have seen idiot owners more than you have seen bad Ions.

Just for the record, at the core of an A5/98 is a power tube that is made of some of the crappiest plastic I have seen.

I'm just pointing out that calling an Ion plastic isn't a fair call. Ions are certainly not the world's greatest marker, but they are a excellent choice for the price conscience that are looking for an electro.

[Thalion]

How'd we go from talking about the TPX to plastic in paintball?

My thoughts on it - quality plastic is not a bad thing, cheap plastic is.

If you want to be technical, Glocks, XDs, H&K, and a lot of other firearms have plastic parts - but they're made of high quality stuff and nobody aside from the 1911 fanboys claim they're not durable.

That said, some paintball plastic holds up to the world and others don't. I don't have enough experience to give a comprehensive list of "good" plastic parts and "bad" ones. I've never blown a power tube, but I have blown multiple ratchets in less than a year. My Tiberius lower receiver (grip/magwell, lower half overall) is plastic, but it's never given a problem in over a year, including some pretty hard use.

Can't say much about the Ion either way, but two of my teammates have SP1s and they don't have a negative thing to say about them.

[JJohnson]

Yeah my teamates kinda each have a crusade going against certain products/items in paintball:rolleyes:

Ask evolkers his opinion on mask visors...

[C4 Explosives]

Most of the plastic parts on the A5 are injection molded thermoplastics, probably polypropylene or polyethelene. Plastic injection molding is far cheaper than metal casting or machining, like in real fireams. My first A5 was a beast, I bought a new one 2 years later and noticed some skimping going on in their manufacturing processes, then I got a third and I noticed more.

The A5 rear sight apperature is now palstic. Above the rear cyclone banjo there is now a secondary port in the reciever meant for upgrades, they used a plastic screw as the default option, i'm waiting for this to blow out eventually. They've also changed the construction of the endcap to an injection molded part and removed the swiveling metal strap bushing. Kudos to them though they now polish the internals of the recievers. Plastic cyclone internals should never have been an option. The powertube may be plastic, but it doesn't move and i've acutally had more problems with aluminum upgrades than the stock one.

Plastic aside my biggest beef with the A5/X7 is that not only is it a clamshel design, but it's a die cast clamshell design. They die casted it to get it to look more like a mil-sim smg, that's all fine and good except that metal dies wear out over time and die cast metal is brittle and more prone to expansion/contraction in weather. The line-in tombstone is also die-cast and should probably be a machined aluminum assembly. As a business decision Tippmann made these things as mass producable as possible, but from a quality standpoint they've taken a nosedive from their older models. The older models, especially the carbines, were designed with gunsmithing in mind, that's why you got the machined parts, they knew quality would make or break'em. Yes, the carbines have some plastic parts, but the used better stuff like glass-filled nylon.

The upside to the A5/X7 is you can get a huge increase in firepower when they're working well.

I'm not slamming Tippmann, they've probably had to make some tough business calls in this economy and they've done a lot to make cool markers affordable for getting people into the game and I respect that, but after using a Carbine for a season I know they can do better.

If they made a machined, single-body version of the A5 with all the correct material parts that their engineers would have prefered to use as opposed to the ones their marketing team made them use it would be a helluva marker. I'd throw $400-$500 at that.

Their new pistol might be amazing, who knows, but i'll wait for the reviews.

[LoudThunder]

Well for $219.00 its not that bad of price. One thing thats been nice about Tippmann is that even if their stuff breaks they fix it pdq.

Plus there is a HammerHead Barrel available for it (its X-7 Treaded according to Tippman) and the mags are priced pretty cheap as well
(TPX Magazine 2 Pack $29.00
TPX HammerHead Barrel $59.00
TPX Leg Holster $39.00 )

These are what Im going to have them selling for.

[JJohnson]

TPX Magazine 2 Pack $29.00

That's going to be Tippmann's biggest advantage over Tiberius. Otherwise they are within $20 of each other in price, but TPX mags costing 1/3 of what Tiberius mags cost will be a big advantage.

[WreckingCrew]

I will wait to see how 1 performs before i jump on this bandwagon i love my Tib

[LoudThunder]

That's going to be Tippmann's biggest advantage over Tiberius. Otherwise they are within $20 of each other in price, but TPX mags costing 1/3 of what Tiberius mags cost will be a big advantage.

Well that is it comes with 2 mags.
Although all mags are plastic.

[JJohnson]

I will wait to see how 1 performs before i jump on this bandwagon i love my Tib

I'm still working on getting a Tiberius. The Socom Tac 8, the mock silencer mesmerizes me for some reasondribble:)

[the_real_kaz]

I'm still working on getting a Tiberius. The Socom Tac 8, the mock silencer mesmerizes me for some reasondribble:)

Good god if you spend anymore money this off season....

[JJohnson]

Good god if you spend anymore money this off season....

A trade, so I only spend $ on shipping costs.

[MondoMor]

If they made a machined, single-body version of the A5 with all the correct material parts that their engineers would have prefered to use as opposed to the ones their marketing team made them use it would be a helluva marker. I'd throw $400-$500 at that.

That's sorta what the Q-Loader SSI is (http://qloader.com/qmarker.html), except with Q-loader pods instead of the Cyclone. I don't think the Cyclone can be fitted to the SSI, so you're SOL if you don't like Q-loaders. :)

[diekill5]

well a while back I submitted a post in SO about a tippmann pistol. I thought it was a good idea. (back then i still used weeeebeep as my name...) and it seems like they liked the idea. I should get money for this... lolz. jk.

from what i can tell, the O-ring on the 1/4 screw in plate is so that when the trigger is pulled, a pin sticks the co2, is retracted, and air goes into the marker instead of spraying out in all directions. Props on the ingenious design.

It seems to me that there was no intention of putting a sight of some sort on the top of the marker. an iron sight would be nice, however it has been proven in the real pistol market that a rail mounted sight (think red dot, or holo sight) greatly improves the accuracy and effective range of a pistol because you can look at your target and not your front sight. Bad tippmann in this respect.

I do like the rail on the bottom, its got the tibb beat in that. In a cqb environment a tactical flashlight could come in really handy. (Try shooting me with a blinding light inyour eyes! :character0095:)

The number one thing i would like to see in any paintpistol is the ability to accept a stock... I like the idea of a subcarbine. i think im not the only one!

[EZD]

Tippmann will start shipping the TPX Pistols in 48 hours! So should start hitting store next week.

Splat Tag may have one in time to give away for the May 31 Jungle Rumble. dribble:)

[EZD]

It confirmed, Splat Tag has two on the way and will be here Fri or Mon.

Yes one will be given away at the May 31 Jungle Rumble!!!

And yes 1 to 4 will be given away at the June 6 GIANT BIG GAME!!!

[badmoon]

c&c will also have some

[EZD]

Receive my first two day.

Will have one at Splat Tag for players to check out this weekend.

I like the windows to see the paintballs so you know if your out or low.

[MondoMor]

Can't wait to see one all taken apart (or to take one apart myself!). Until then, there's the manual (http://www.paintballtech.org/diagrams/Tippmann%20TPX%20Manual%20V090421.pdf) and some pictures of the insides (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3102061). :D

[Thalion]

Can't wait to see one all taken apart (or to take one apart myself!). Until then, there's the manual (http://www.paintballtech.org/diagrams/Tippmann%20TPX%20Manual%20V090421.pdf) and some pictures of the insides (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3102061). :D

Internally, looks like an automag, give or take.

I like that it's made of metal instead of having a plastic bolt/power tube.

Shows promise -- maybe Tippmann did learn from its mistakes.

[MondoMor]

It's very Automag-ish, but searless - the bolt isn't under pressure when the gun is at rest.

The trigger actuates a simple two-way valve. I think that valve dumps the pressure from behind a little spool, which moves backward and allows air to build up behind the bolt in a dump chamber.

From there it's pure Automag. The bolt moves forward, compressing its spring. Once the bolt is forward enough, air dumps out from the dump chamber and a ball goes flying. The spring returns the bolt, and the spool resets when the trigger is released.

[Thalion]

It's very Automag-ish, but searless - the bolt isn't under pressure when the gun is at rest.

The trigger actuates a simple two-way valve. I think that valve dumps the pressure from behind a little spool, which moves backward and allows air to build up behind the bolt in a dump chamber.

From there it's pure Automag. The bolt moves forward, compressing its spring. Once the bolt is forward enough, air dumps out from the dump chamber and a ball goes flying. The spring returns the bolt, and the spool resets when the trigger is released.

In that case, I wonder how consistent over the chronograph it is.

[cutstep]

its a mini but with a spool rather then a poppet

[Sarge]

Got to dink around with one at st croix paintball.
Freaking sweet little pistol, I know my next purchase!

[Ish]

hmmm ish needs a new toy to play with.... (starts to dream on how hard it will be to convert the mag to take first strike balls)

[Thalion]

Got to look at the Tippmann pistol yesterday.

For a first impression, I'd say it looks really good. The question will now be field tests, so whoever wins the first Tippmann pistol, make sure to do a good review of it (what works, what doesn't, any QC issues or quirks, etc)

[MondoMor]

Help me win it, and I'll post full dissection pictures, measurements, o-ring sizes, etc. :D