View Full Version : Why is there so much hatred in paintball...
I own a mini and an A5. I play woodsball of course. So whats the big deal.
I spend a lot of time on nation and there was a big argument over speedball is better then woods and tippmanns should stay in the woods and minis on speed.
A guy even said that who ever buys a mini for woods is retarded. WTF.
paintball is paintball. Its people like them that make paintball a bad sport.
Sorry, just venting at stupid people who think they know everything.
WreckingCrew
02-29-2008, 11:17 PM
dont try to reason with the knuckleheads on PBNation :P
I know exactly what your sayen there Jimy. I read that stuff all the time. Even Magazines play up to the mix. The way I see it is, these players are caught up in the Game of Cattle and Sheep. Followers of something they have no definition as to where to belong. They did'nt choose, they were led, and if their leader did'nt explain to them that you play for however makes you happy and that is what keeps you in the Game. If we played PaintBall to please the other guy then we had better expect that other guy to help us supply our needs to be just like him, but if we can't obtain the things that puts us on that level then we must simply quit. Well of course Woodsball/Scenario and Speed/Arena Ball are two differant styles to play the Game, and of course there are many differant types of markers we may choose from, for which we may play the Game, but what it really comes down to is; its our Choice. We must Listen to whatever drives us to get the most out of the sport, and not to those that try to make those choices for us.;)/AKA
By the way, I play Stock out of the box Markers of any kind, and will play any type of PaintBall, anytime. My Choice! My Enjoyment!:D/AKA
Vander
03-01-2008, 01:52 AM
Nicely said, man...
Jeez, AKA... you're the wise old guru of paintball, aren't you?
Hey Jimy? What are you doing tomorrow? We need to meet up, eh?
Thalion
03-01-2008, 02:31 AM
dont try to reason with the knuckleheads on PBNation :P
Yep. I don't even waste my time trying to get through all the "txt talk," the poor attitudes, and the completely willfull ignoramouses that make up the community known as PBN.
Paintball is paintball, and any marker can be used for anything. Just ask the Air Assault kids about that "guy with a pistol" (my T8) laughing:)
badmoon
03-01-2008, 03:02 AM
just tell them youl smoke them with your a-5 on a speedball feild. i used mine at airassult people talked **** untill i let her rip. then they just asked questions, about its greatness. i personaly like to beat em up with my pump. screw them and any one who preaches seperation of the sport. our country didnt work when it was split and this sport wont work unless its brought back together. also like crew said their knucle heads, also they have add so bad they probly cant even rember posting the comments in the first place. sorry for bad spelling and grammer im drunk.
Its not the veterans who are saying it. Its all these newbies who think they know everything.
Its like saying ions are bad markers. They are actaully good markers. Its the users that make them bad.
WreckingCrew
03-01-2008, 10:46 AM
Its not the veterans who are saying it. Its all these newbies who think they know everything.
Its like saying ions are bad markers. They are actaully good markers. Its the users that make them bad.
Its not the Marker its the person behind the Marker
FaTaLMiZtAkE
03-01-2008, 11:10 AM
amen....so just wanted to say something...but the wise old gurus(new call sign;) ) already said it ...lol....
(need coffee)
Podoz1
03-01-2008, 11:41 AM
I agree. When i started paintball forum life I started and pbreview which IMO is so much better than nation. But after a while I decided that a closer to home forum (Mnrat) was better and a closer knit group and better behaved. yes take this as a compliment.
MayhemBrando
03-01-2008, 02:10 PM
There are many reasons for everything on why people are so blah on the topic of woodsball vs speedball. I am sorry but you can't call woodsball a sport it is a hobby. It is not set up as a game, it is set up to mirror Military aspects except you have no death. Speedball is where paintball has any real chance of it becoming a sport. Its just a matter of time before its accepted by the general public.
Though paintball is mostly 80% played in the woods any outsiders that actually are getting viewing of the sport is mostly woodsball. Unless you have friends who are extremely into it. Everyone usually starts out in the woods.
ESPN is helping this immensely by letting people outside of "our" world view of the sport.
I would hate on the wood players to if because of how much cr@p the speedball players have to go through to actually be good at the sport. You have to understand there side of the story as well. Yes some people are ignorant as heck but. To go anywhere in that realm you have to be an outstanding player and know a lot of people.
One of the main reasons I didn't even attempt speedball is because of our region of the country we live in. If I only get to play 7 months out of the year compared to the So Cal players who get to play year round. The time I would have to put into the sport to be able to compete at that level would be outrageous.
You just have to put yourself in their shoes. They play some 3 days to even more a week. Some of us only play once a month. Does this give them the right to blast our view of paintball... No... but if I was on was a team like the Naughty Dogs getting paid to play as a contract killer and look at the woodsball side of paintball. I would say that those are the people who are unwilling to put the time in to become what I am. Its politics, its money, its your connections, its your ability, its everything to make it in that realm....
I love woodsball to the bottom of my heart, but if I could compete at the level of the pro's I would do that in a heart beat. I don't have the time and the money to do that. LOL... Just be proud of what you have accomplished out in the woods don't worry about what others think of this side of paintball. Not very many people get to play with 200 people every month like we are blessed with. Most people are passing judgement on the basis of pick up games in the woods with 20 people, 20 or 200? Come on?
We have a buddy who is playing with us regularly now and he is very much into speedball. He said he never has had a funner time playing paintball out in the woods with us. Yet he still enjoys the sport side of speedball.
I think that is really where it stands though, Speedball is really like a sport and for the competitive thats what they are drawn towards, to be able to prove that they are the best.
For us recreation players it something they will never understand until they try it and vice versa.
If any of that made sense.. sorry for the rant or whatever it was. I had a M-80 and I am a little jittery....
Im going with Nate on the pump players.. They rule all....
MayhemBrando
03-01-2008, 02:19 PM
sorry for bad spelling and grammer im drunk.
Does that really matter? Its bad either way dude....
Our team was actually going to start a speedball team along with our woodsball. But our team seemed to be moving faster then what we had imagine. Vince from North Side has given us a great opportunity to step our game. I'm greatful to him. Also to Ryan who help moved our team so far forward so fast.
But to reach speedball pro status just to play D3, would cost you approx. $30K per team for a year. I've done research and asked many stupid questions.
I don't care what game you play in paintball. As long as people know that paintball exsist, thats all that matters. Getting new people into the sport is what its all about.
Its like soccer here in the U.S. It was pretty lame 5-7 years ago. Now its a blooming sport.
Podoz1
03-01-2008, 09:02 PM
^^ I agree
As long as people know its there and ahve a interest thats all thats fine with me.
badmoon
03-02-2008, 02:27 AM
Does that really matter? Its bad either way dude....
ya but its way worse if im not sobber
Thalion
03-02-2008, 11:08 AM
I would argue that paintball is already "accepted by the general public."
In recent years and conversations with people, nobody has asked what paintball is or expressed any negative sentiment about it. They may not know everything about it like they would know all the rules of football, but we have so many different sets of rules I couldn't blame them really. They know the basic idea involves a field with various forms of cover and the goal is to shoot the other team, it's just the finer details they don't know.
Just observing, the only "anti-paintball" sentiment I've found anywhere were those "news reports" out to portray paintball as an evil vandalism tool. The general public has no objection to it.
Podoz1
03-03-2008, 02:25 PM
Also there are videos on youtube, stupid videos, etc. having people vandalising using paintball equipment and shooting people for the fun of it.
badmoon
03-03-2008, 02:43 PM
ya but you know how many times ive used a bat to vandalize things and baseball doesnt get the wrap why should paintball.
MayhemBrando
03-03-2008, 03:11 PM
ya but you know how many times ive used a bat to vandalize things and baseball doesnt get the wrap why should paintball.
Dude I was just going to make that comparison....
Okay here is a little story..
A couple guys from the team came over to my house a month or so ago. My buddy steve just picked up a model 98 from Tippman Effect I believe thats what they are called. Anyways I live in the lake of forests. Right across the street from me is a gas station and a Wellsfargo with a big parking lot. I make everybody who visits park their car there and walk over to my place. Well Steven had is model 98 out in his hand with a condom on it. Though like a day or two prior that new law in Minnesota passed about keeping realistic paintball guns and air soft equipment cased or whatever.
Now they parked their cars by the bank not right next to it but at least 30 yards away. They just got out of the car and crossed the street over to my place. (I know they did not wave the gun around and point it at anybody.) They are not that stupid but by the time they made it to my house. Some one managed to call the cops on them. We just sat down on my couch and start shooting the bull and a cop came up to my back door...
I opened it up the door and he was kinda surprised with how old we were, us being in our twenties. I think he expected a bunch of ooob kids. He asked me if we had any paintball guns. I got kinda pissy with him cuz I knew somebody had ratted on my friends for absolutely nothing. We explained to him how into the sport we are and that we would never do anything to hurt our name in the sport. He was pretty cool told us about keeping it cased and all that ****, and that they shouldn't walk past a bank with that in hand.
What gets me is that whoever called it in new it wasn't a real gun it was a paintball marker. It had proper safety measure on it too (for the most part). I don't know to me this is an example that paintball has not yet become excepted in the publics eye. To go right to calling the police for it is pathetic. Now if they had been shooting the thing in plain site whether aim at nothing or trying to purposely damage something. Be my guest and call that in.
Sinner
03-03-2008, 10:27 PM
well i can some what see it from who ever called just alittle, because of the bank being there, most people have never seen a real gun but on tv. if it was me no way i would have called, but i know the diff between a real gun and a paintball gun. and any time the media says anything about paintball, its bad. like that guy that shot up that collage last year, the media reported that he played paintball and thats where he learned to shoot and all that stuff. any one who doesnt know anything about that sport and media i'm sure think its a bad sport. so we as a group need to prof them wrong. and make the sport be what we want it to be. just my 2 cents.
Podoz1
03-04-2008, 09:06 PM
Think if your friend had walked across the street with lets say a baseball bat at no one would have given that a secound thought. Also I didn't hear that the bill covered paintball guns but I didn't give it close attetion at the time.
Darrin
03-05-2008, 03:45 AM
Most people do not know the difference between a real gun and a paintball gun.
Even if you have a squirt gun, if someone (anyone) THINKS it real you are breaking the law.
Podoz1
03-05-2008, 01:05 PM
Would anyone know where to find this bill??
MayhemBrando
03-05-2008, 01:27 PM
Would anyone know where to find this bill??
Mah it was in a mag. I forgot which one. It was directed at realistic scenario markers.
Then with having a non scenario marker out thats really up to the cities by laws and sub laws and all that red tape ****...
badmoon
03-05-2008, 01:53 PM
Think if your friend had walked across the street with lets say a baseball bat at no one would have given that a secound thought. Also I didn't hear that the bill covered paintball guns but I didn't give it close attetion at the time.
it does cover paintguns. only in Minneapolis thou
Darrin
03-05-2008, 03:01 PM
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the new laws in Mpls and St. Paul.
Even if you have a squirt gun, if someone (anyone) THINKS it real you can be breaking the law.
There has been laws on the books forever that cover this.
Do not walk around in public or show a paintball gun in the public. Keep your paintball gun in bag or case at all times!
And do NOT play with your gun while driving in a car either, I know of many people getting in trouble for that as well. Other drivers see the gun and think it's real and call the police.
A paintball gun is not a lethal weapon but it can be use as a weapon, just like a bat, knife or a stick.
Badger
03-05-2008, 03:57 PM
It's amazing how many people I see come into CC Military to have their guns worked on by Rick, and they bring it in uncased. All it takes is one scared person, and Rick's store could be swarmed with nervous cops thinking it will be a gun battle.
Podoz1
03-05-2008, 05:50 PM
It's amazing how many people I see come into CC Military to have their guns worked on by Rick, and they bring it in uncased. All it takes is one scared person, and Rick's store could be swarmed with nervous cops thinking it will be a gun battle.
I'm not trying to discredit your observation but I would think that people understand that CC Military Surplus that there are guns in there. And that Military means possible weapons. They are also parking right next to the building not across the street where people would get nervous or suspious.
This is just my view on that. I mean no disrespect.
badmoon
03-05-2008, 06:40 PM
This is just my view on that. I mean no disrespect.
yes he does lets ostracize him jk lol i have done it myself with my saw.
Rogue
03-06-2008, 01:11 PM
609.713 TERRORISTIC THREATS
Subd. 3. Display replica of firearm. (a) Whoever displays, exhibits, brandishes, or
otherwise employs a replica firearm or a BB gun in a threatening manner, may be sentenced to
imprisonment for not more than one year and one day or to payment of a fine of not more than
$3,000, or both, if, in doing so, the person either:
(1) causes or attempts to cause terror in another person; or
(2) acts in reckless disregard of the risk of causing terror in another person.
(b) For purposes of this subdivision:
(1) "BB gun" means a device that fires or ejects a shot measuring .18 of an inch or less
in diameter; and
(2) "replica firearm" means a device or object that is not defined as a dangerous weapon,
and that is a facsimile or toy version of, and reasonably appears to be a pistol, revolver, shotgun,
sawed-off shotgun, rifle, machine gun, rocket launcher, or any other firearm. The term replica
firearm includes, but is not limited to, devices or objects that are designed to fire only blanks.
History: 1971 c 845 s 19; 1988 c 712 s 15; 1990 c 461 s 3; 1993 c 326 art 4 s 34; 1994 c
636 art 2 s 45; art 3 s 23; 1995 c 244 s 24,25; 1998 c 367 art 6 s 15
police:)
Podoz1
03-07-2008, 11:12 AM
Well that isn't very specitific in the definition of terrorisic. Also it say a weapon that fires a projectile smaller than .18in where a paintball is .68in (give or take).
triggerhappyshawn
03-07-2008, 11:56 AM
well all i play is speedball, lol. But i started in the woods, and i still enjoy playing in the woods! I love to play on the trench field at nss ( when im not reffing, or playing). I plan on buying a phantom so i can play more woodsball too. The way i look at it though is like this
wether your playing woodsball or speedball.....your still playing paintball. so NO HATE FROM ME!!! :)
Thalion
03-07-2008, 12:48 PM
Also it say a weapon that fires a projectile smaller than .18in where a paintball is .68in (give or take).
Paintball guns can fall under the "replica firearm" category, especially the milsim jobs some people do.
Podoz1
03-08-2008, 02:52 PM
Interesting that I have stayed away from tippmanns.
RobGrover
05-01-2008, 01:52 PM
I am a hardcore tourney player during the school year, during the summer all I want to do is play in the woods. IMO woods ball is much more fun then tourney style paint ball. I enjoy the relaxed feel of woods ball and not always having to have perfect form or worry about getting shot out because it might cost your team the tourney. My brother and I (the two guys in purple at splat tag) have been sitting around all winter just waiting to get back out in the woods. Some times I get a little angry playing in the woods when i get shoot in the back on the head by my own team, until I turn around and realize it is just some kid with a rental gun and probably his first time playing. Plus woods ball is a place where new people to the sport can get into it, I took on of my buddies to Air Assault once so he could try paint ball and he never really liked it after playing speed ball as his first time.
I personally think that the new law against replica guns in public is a great idea. Now that people that want to vandalize signs don't even have to shoot them to be arrested. Nothing makes me angrier then when i see a road sign shoot with paint balls. I have to deal with the comities of older people that have never played the sport before to get funding for our team. Every time they see a road sign shoot up on the side of the road it reflects back on us in their eyes.
Delta Echo
05-01-2008, 04:40 PM
609.713 TERRORISTIC THREATS
Subd. 3. Display replica of firearm. (a) Whoever displays, exhibits, brandishes, or
otherwise employs a replica firearm or a BB gun in a threatening manner, may be sentenced to
imprisonment for not more than one year and one day or to payment of a fine of not more than
$3,000, or both, if, in doing so, the person either:
(1) causes or attempts to cause terror in another person; or
(2) acts in reckless disregard of the risk of causing terror in another person.
(b) For purposes of this subdivision:
(1) "BB gun" means a device that fires or ejects a shot measuring .18 of an inch or less
in diameter; and
(2) "replica firearm" means a device or object that is not defined as a dangerous weapon,
and that is a facsimile or toy version of, and reasonably appears to be a pistol, revolver, shotgun,
sawed-off shotgun, rifle, machine gun, rocket launcher, or any other firearm. The term replica
firearm includes, but is not limited to, devices or objects that are designed to fire only blanks.
History: 1971 c 845 s 19; 1988 c 712 s 15; 1990 c 461 s 3; 1993 c 326 art 4 s 34; 1994 c
636 art 2 s 45; art 3 s 23; 1995 c 244 s 24,25; 1998 c 367 art 6 s 15
police:)
I happen to have studied this in school...
This law is not new. Its been in the book for over 10 years.
The quoted law above was taken from the Minnesota Criminal Code (609) and does not really apply to what is being discussed because:
A) A violation of this law requires the replica firearm or BB gun to displayed, exhibited, brandished in a threatening manner Having a paintball marker sitting uncased in the front seat of you car, or carrying your paintball marker from you car into a house lacks that threating criteria.
B) Most paintball markers really don't fit the stated definitions of BB gun or firearm replica. This is an arguable definition, and a good lawyer should be able to prove it.
C) If this law did apply to paintball markers, we would all be in violation of it everytime we play.
With that all being said, I still STRONGLY advise players to be very discreet with their markers in public. Like Darrin stated members of the public are very ignorant of our sport and often panic everytime they see anything that resembles a firearm thanks to the media that is VERY anti-firearm.
The unknown law previous mentioned that does not allow paintball guns in public is not a state law at all, it is local law or ordinance passed by a city (like Minneapolis). Many cities in the metro aread do not allow discharging or displaying of airguns in public. Definitions of "airgun" usually always include paintball markers.
If anyone knows which municipalities have ordinances against paintball guns, (most I'm sure) it might be nice to know...
Even if you city does not have an ordinance prohibiting paintball markers being discharged or displayed in public, still don't do it, paintball gets enough undeserved bad press already. Don't rock the boat.
WreckingCrew
05-01-2008, 04:51 PM
I know Apple Valley has one for sure :P I had to got court in 98 for discharging a BB gun in the city limits the judge finding out I was former Military told me to "go forth and sin no more case dismissed" Needless to say i never got rid of those pesky pocket gophers with a BB gun anymore :P and also make sure your neighbor isnt a tree hugger type :)
cbass
05-01-2008, 07:16 PM
well this has been a touchy topic for a while as i understand. now a days, with nearly 15% of americans going balistic and stealing stuff, (armed alot of the time) and committing dangerous crimes of course people are going to always think the worst when someone is acting at all suspicious. considering that you can turn any old woodsball gun into what almost completely resembles a real gun (ak-47 for example,) people do get scared. i think that having these laws about people shooting these guns in public or even having them for that matter, (though a pain in the but sometimes, is all around good.) I'm going to be honest, i am a teenager and we kids (mostly 14-19) do rediculously stupid things sometimes. and the ones that happen to do something stupid with a paintball gun just give every other good paintballer a bad name. it sucks that people with absolutely no REAL knowledge of the sport start getting judgemental about it all when they turn on the news and here about some dumbasses getting into trouble and using a paintball gun. it's just something that we need to get accustomed to and try to represent the great game as best as we can. if someone is really lumping the whole lot of us together with those idiots make sure you let them know that one bad egg doesn't neccesarily mean that the whole carton is. and as the years go on we are going to need to be extra careful because i don't really expect crime and terrorism #'s to go down.:(
Podoz1
05-01-2008, 09:27 PM
I don't know if anybody else heard this but I want to say 2yr or so ago there was a robber that used a paintball gun and marbles to rob a bank. I'm a Bid gun and conceal carry guy. I believe the more legal guns the less crime.
cbass
05-04-2008, 05:34 PM
this is basically a follow up on my previous post on this topic. so i'm reading the west sherbune tribune and i see an article about a bunch of teens from big lake getting busted for going on a paintball spree. during their little spree they damaged 21 homes and vehicles. :mad: apparently, one of the home owners claims that there are damages in the range of $20,000. this is a huge issue. it's absolutely rediculous that a bunch of fricken idiots are putting a black mark on the rest of the paintball community. this type of thing really gets me P.O'd. i mean honestly, i really find it hard to believe that it's that hard to resist damaging property. yes, kids will be kids, i know, i am one. but this is way crossing the line of what is truely too much. $20,000, that's major. and of course these kids weren't thinking of the negative outcome this would have and that somethings could really come back to bite them in the ***. all i know is that this incident will probably have some major consequences that we'll be hearing about soon.:(
Podoz1
05-06-2008, 12:07 AM
totally agree to that. ^^ everyone keep their eyes peelled.
Brando, Which Wells bank do you live by? I live behind the HS and I target shoot all the time back there with my KP. No issues from the LEOs at all. Was it super cop that came by to visit? Cant recall his name but he thinks he is all that.
I know my oldest lives in the apartments across from wells by block buster, the not so new looking ones there.
I look at the original topic and I just have to say that there will always be those that think one is better than the other. Look at car people for gods sake.
To me, paintball is paintball, just have to have a different mindset on which aspect of the game you play. I don't fall into the gun hype. I shoot a pump that is probably older than 90% of the posters on the nation.
MayhemBrando
05-08-2008, 01:16 PM
Dude the disgusting looking brown piece, right across from the sinclar Gaspuperton. That would be my place of business. LOL but if things progress they way they do the next couple weeks. I will be moving to Ramsey with my woman...
The cop was probably in his mid 30s, blonde, and a little shorter than myself.. He wasn't a dink, but he was surprised how old I was when I opened the door. From his reaction I really think, he thought he was going to be dealing with stupid kids...
Ill have to look for it now......
Ha
My kid works at Rehbeins tattoo studio. So he has the easy walk.