SPPL Loaders Rules

[Bizzare87]

help:)Ok I don't know if this is the correct place to put this but here I go anyways.
I was just brushing up on my SPPL rules and the only one that I seem to be having trouble with is the loader rule.If I'm shooting an electro gun my loader cannot be force feed and cannot have an advertised feed rate over 15 BPS.Any ideas on which loader would get me closest?All I can think of is a
12V Revy but that only does 12 and I want my 15 any ideas?bangh:)200a:):fighting0011:boink:) I love these things.

[EvADe]

Is this the rule you're talking about??

Limited Rate of Fire: Generally speaking, any single paintball marker that is adjusted to fire more than fifteen (15) balls per second will be placed on the Limited Hopper Paintball Marker list. Note: many markers are capable of firing over 15bps but that does not make them illegal. This mean the SPPL does not permit them to fire over 15bps.
All blowback, electronically assisted blow-back/blow-forward and mechanical markers are permitted so long as they shoot under 15bps. These classes of markers are permitted to use any hopper they see fit to feed paintball's into their marker.
Electro-pneumatic markers that use a pneumatic solenoid: (Angels, Matrix and all variants, Shocker, Ion, Nerve, Electronic Auto Cockers, ICD Bushmasters, Freestyle's etc…) shall not be able to use a force feed hopper or any other agitated hopper that has an advertised feed rate above 15 balls per second.


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Approved hoppers (per website)
Viewloader (9v, 12v, XBoard, 3000, MAXX, and Tripod styles of Revolution, Quantum), Extreme Rage Overdrive, Reloader (A, 2), HALO TSA (Frontman, Backman), Ricochet (AK, 2K, 2KX, Rhino), Q-loader, ZAP Mach404, and any true gravity style hopper.

Taken straight from the SPPL website.. Hopefully this helps.. And i find it odd that they have Qloaders on there.. If you've never emptied a q-pod with nothing stoppping it.. it will empty the pod in less than 2 seconds.... And it is technically a "force fed" loader... ah well...

[Bizzare87]

Ya thats the rule I'm talking about I just don't know with all the new loaders coming out if theres something that they have not listed.I know I can get by with my 12 out of a revy.Just if there was something that fed the exact i would most likely use that option

[EvADe]

well.. considering i have no idea how old that page is, I guess your best bet would be to email SPPL admins and ask if they have an updated list of current loaders?

http://www.scenariochallenge.com/rules_full.php is the page i found info on..

Note: If you have a loader that is not on this list but has an advertised feed rate below 15bps then contact and SPPL representative to make sure: info@scenariochallenge.com

Is the link i found. Good luck :)

[badmoon]

their is an upgrade for the revy if you can find it "reloader" sound activated better paddles made by empire. i got it and love it. the only problem was i had to search forever for it like 20 stores online till i found it. i dont know if they still make it or not? but its faster

[MondoMor]

their is an upgrade for the revy if you can find it "reloader" sound activated better paddles made by empire. i got it and love it. the only problem was i had to search forever for it like 20 stores online till i found it. i dont know if they still make it or not? but its faster

I'm not sure if they still offer the upgrade kit for the Revlution. I believe they stopped and now make their own Revvy-like loader, the Reloader 2 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=mVqYoIaS0siYVcH0GRpYCIxb55JkVBx_NSk=?Pro ductID=wpLAqArbh84AAAD_qFNHHeDm).

My TSA has been great. They're sound activated and the LCD version is adjustable. The tilt-sensing thing works. The major problem is that shells are hard to find and expensive. Mine's down until I find some.

I've never owned a Revvy, but I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't just get one; I don't see a lot of people complaining about cracked Revlution shells and parts are available everywhere.

A Smart Parts team was shooting Kingman Fasta loaders at an SPPL event, weren't they?

[EvADe]

Well now i'm confused... What would they consider a Cyclone system on a tippy? I don't see it on the list for allowed or not allowed... help:)

[LoudThunder]

Also if your looking for loaders that dont go over 15 bps. Ricochet hoppers are pretty good. Depending on which one your using feed rates can be up to 12 BPS and the Apache is abit faster.http://northerncommandpaintball.com/osCommerce/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/50_58/products_id/259

[EvADe]

SPPL Restricted Hoppers on electro-pneumatic markers:
HALO: A, Reloader B, Viewloader Brass Eagle: (Vlocity, eVLution), Ricochet: Apache, AGD: Warp Feeds and DXS: Pulse

Ricochets are ok, as long as it's not an apache.. The wording for these rules are kinda wonky :P

[Podoz1]

yeah my eggy 2 is legal becuase my marker is capped at 14bps. I think It should be only guns that are capped at 15bps or less can be used thats pretty much my tranlation but don't quote me on that. I think that tranlastion (or wording) would make more since.

My 3cents

[Bizzare87]

Well thanks for all the great info guys.I think I'm just going to send the sppl my marker setup and see what I need to do to make it legal.
Thanks all:Nick-SplatTag

[Goat]

i have a revo b do i need a new hopper or cap my gun to 15 and it will be fine?

[MayhemBrando]

Why is there restrictions on loader feed rate? I don't understand the need to restrict feed rate when there is already a set restriction on 15 Bps. Whats the point of it? If the gun cant shoot more than 15 a second, the hopper being able to feed 25 isn't going to matter anyways.. . Unless I just don't understand any of the rules someone can yell at me at tell me whats really going on... but people shouldn't have downgrade and buy a Revy just to play in this event.
300a:)

[Thalion]

Why is there restrictions on loader feed rate? I don't understand the need to restrict feed rate when there is already a set restriction on 15 Bps. Whats the point of it? If the gun cant shoot more than 15 a second, the hopper being able to feed 25 isn't going to matter anyways.. . Unless I just don't understand any of the rules someone can yell at me at tell me whats really going on... but people shouldn't have downgrade and buy a Revy just to play in this event.


I agree. It makes no difference one way or the other if the gun is already capped. Yes, the SPPL has in the past banned "forcefeed loaders" (Halo, Empire Reloader B, egg, warp feed, etc.) from electropneumatics, even though they can be capped at 15 BPS by simple settings on the board.

There is no hopper restrictions. You can use any hopper you want with any gun that shoots 15pbs or less.

He meant at the official SPPL events. And yes, the last time I checked, they banned hoppers that could feed over 15 BPS on electropneumatic markers.

Now, it's possible this rule is changing for '08, but the last time I checked in on the SPPL, they were banning certain loaders on certain markers, even though that wouldn't be necessary for the ROF cap to be met.

[MayhemBrando]

Darrin

So if I set my Ego at 15 bps I can put a Vlocity on it? Or just because its plainly capable of shooting 20 + in straight semi I have to put a Revy or something on it?
I hope you understand what I am trying to ask....

[Darrin]

Rules at

http://www.scenariochallenge.com/rules_full.php

http://www.scenariochallenge.com/images/logo.jpg

[EvADe]

I understand the rule to be.

A Ego at 15 bps can have any hopper you want.

It does not matter what the gun can do or is capable of.
What matters is what you set the rate of fire at. If the rate can not be set under 15bps or you set it over 15bps then the gun must be handicapped with this rule.

Not according to this..

Electro-pneumatic markers that use a pneumatic solenoid: (Angels, Matrix and all variants, Shocker, Ion, Nerve, Electronic Auto Cockers, ICD Bushmasters, Freestyle's etc…) shall not be able to use a force feed hopper or any other agitated hopper that has an advertised feed rate above 15 balls per second.


Reading deeper into the rules, you can't use certain hoppers above 15 BPS simply because of "cheater" modes on electro-pneumatics, like breakout and "panic" featuers. Which makes very little sense.. wouldn't it be easier to ban boards with these functions instead? My Virtue has a "breakout" mode but no "panic" mode.. And I'm pretty sure every aftermarket board out there has some sort of "lockout" setting on it. They obviously distrust enough people to think it's an issue, where in reality it probably isn't.

Taking SPPL rules for what they are, you'd have to downgrade your hopper if you use a gun with a solenoid, even IF you set it capped at 15bps.. Which is kinda .. well you know....weak.. Correct me if I'm wrong darrin.

[Shaman]

A-5 and 98c Cyclones are allowed.

[Podoz1]

yeah Isn't the cyclone rated at 16bps?
My 3 cents

[Shaman]

Geting back to evades reply: I believe the point of the SPPL loader rules is to make it easier to referee. It doesnt matter if you have an illegal board, as long as your hopper isnt feeding faster than 15bps it wont shoot faster than 15bps. They dont want to mess with opening each marker and inspecting the boards.

[Erndogg]

Geting back to evades reply: I believe the point of the SPPL loader rules is to make it easier to referee. It doesnt matter if you have an illegal board, as long as your hopper isnt feeding faster than 15bps it wont shoot faster than 15bps. They dont want to mess with opening each marker and inspecting the boards.

I also think (keyword is think) that what you said is correct, because if they were to inspect your board, whats to say you didn't push a button or 2 and change it before you hit the field?

[Saint]

Say I had a Halo B on my non-electric, totally mech custom 98, It would be legal, correct?

[Podoz1]

I think that all mechs don't apply to this rule.

[Shaman]

Saint, as I understand the rules, you would be correct. But if you had an E-grip things would be different (non-mech)