Starting Gun

[Rambo]

I just started playing PB a couple weeks ago. So far I've loaned guns from people (and haven't been impressed...) and now I'm looking to get my own. I'm wondering what gun people suggest I get. My budget is around $350. My friends play lots of woodsball, but I also want a gun that would work for speedball and stuff... I've looked around, but I can't tell what gun would be best. I really need some help!

Thanks!!

[evolkers2003]

Can you run it on just compressed air, like, do you play renegade ball a lot? If you play at fields than go with a used Ion w/ a new feedneck and on/off. Spend the extra money on nice goggles, find some used vforce profilers. Then a myth tank and a vlocity junior. All that should be under $350 then you have a really nice setup and a nice enough hopper and tank to take with once you want to start upgrading to better guns!

[MayhemBrando]

I just started playing PB a couple weeks ago. So far I've loaned guns from people (and haven't been impressed...) and now I'm looking to get my own. I'm wondering what gun people suggest I get. My budget is around $350. My friends play lots of woodsball, but I also want a gun that would work for speedball and stuff... I've looked around, but I can't tell what gun would be best. I really need some help!

Thanks!!

I gots a mini for sale!
Should be a thread for it let me know I can give you all the details

[oncenothing77]

hahahaha I'm sitting here watching First Blood Pt. 2 and decide to check the forum, and look who posted! haha sorry, i couldn't help it :)

one thing to always remember is a typical "speedball" gun is just as good or better for woodsball than a typical "woodsball" marker (take Wild Bunch and Mayhem for example) so i know that the Proto SLG UL's are good, and I've been looking for a G3 myself for awhile, however I've never used either one... and if your looking for a Tippmann, i absolutely love my A5, so that's a good choice,
just my 2 cents i guess

[Thalion]

Does the $350 include air source/hopper/etc or just the gun?

If it's only the gun and if you can access HPA, go for a mini.

If it's for the complete package (everything needed for playing), I recommend an SP1 (or a Vibe, which is the same thing basically), an HPA tank, your choice of budget loader (the SP1/Vibe has an anti-chop bolt so you can't break paint by shooting too fast), then make sure to invest in a good mask.

If you're looking for an all mechanical gun / must be able to run on CO2 (such as if that's the only air source readily available in your area), then look at the BT-4. It's like a 98 custom, but better (and cheaper too).


No matter what you choose, I repeat, make sure to invest in a good mask. You'll thank yourself for it later when the guys who bought the $20 cheap-o mask can't see a thing and you can.

[oncenothing77]

And if you are looking for an HPA tank, there's a great sale on them on paintball-online.com, a 72/45 for $100 and with a TechPB code on ANS gear a 68/45 for $100, both are definitely good deals. (for the TechPB code jus look it up on YouTube)

[*mess*Chain_gang]

hahahaha I'm sitting here watching First Blood Pt. 2 and decide to check the forum, and look who posted! haha sorry, i couldn't help it :)

one thing to always remember is a typical "speedball" gun is just as good or better for woodsball than a typical "woodsball" marker (take Wild Bunch and Mayhem for example) so i know that the Proto SLG UL's are good, and I've been looking for a G3 myself for awhile, however I've never used either one... and if your looking for a Tippmann, i absolutely love my A5, so that's a good choice,
just my 2 cents i guess

if it's just 350 on a gun. Go with the G3 and buy the cp trigger because the stock g3 tigger stinks! but if your looking at 350 for everthing. I would say but a sp1 or a vibe. I personally have used one of each and love them. So does mike from techpb. get a HPA tank if you do. You can find good ones for like 100 bucks or buy a steely for like 50. then get a halo for 75-100 bucks.

[JJohnson]

If it's only the gun and if you can access HPA, go for a mini.

I'd reccomend trying out a gun before you buy it, even if you only hook up a tank and hopper and test the "feel" of it. Personally Mini's are way to small for me, but that's just me.

My reccomendations for a hopper and mask would be a Vlocity Jr. and Vforce Profilers or Grillz if you have the extra $.

As far as a gun goes, it's all personal preference. There are so many good guns out there, just test a few out and find one you like.

[Rambo]

So, should I use HPA or CO2? And where would they sell HPA?

[oncenothing77]

HPA is cleaner and more consistent, so HPA if you can, the problem is the fills, if you play at fields alot, they will normally have HPA fills (with compressors) but if you play alot just with friends and such then the only way to fill is with scuba tanks, which is VERY expensive, so then CO2 is the way to go which can be filled at some gas stations, Gander Mtn. etc. etc.
and by sell do you mean sell the tanks themselves? if so online pretty much all the paintball websites have them for sale, and some sporting goods stores MIGHT have them, but you would probably get a better deal online and if you mean refills i guess i already covered it

[cutstep]

buy a dm6, ego5, mini, or nice pmr ($200 or so)
pure energy tank with two years left on hydro (any tank will do but pe tanks are cheapest ($100 or less)
a pulse or reloader b2 (less then $50)

your all set to run with anyone out there

[Rambo]

So right now I'm thinking about getting an Ion w/ Halo B hopper and vforce profilers for goggles. I don't have access to HPA, but it says the Ion can be run on CO2, is that true? Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I buy these??

I also was thinking about getting a EGO5 or a PMR, but I couldn't find one in my price range.... Also, should I get the Halo B, or the Reloader B2? Does anybody know which of those 2 is more reliable? They both would load fast enough for an Ion, so if one jams or breaks more paint, then the other would be better..

[MondoMor]

If you shoot the Ion on CO2 as fast as the Halo can feed, you'll have trouble. The cold will thicken up the lube and harden up the O-rings, and the Ion will not shoot well for long.

For high rates of fire, HPA is a must.

The Halo has "eyes" connected to its electronics so that it knows when to run the motor.

The Reloader B2 uses the sound of the gun firing to determine when to run the motor.

Otherwise, they're the same loader. Whether you like eyes or sound-activation seems to be personal preference.

If you think you'll like sound activation, look around for the "new" Invert Halo TOO loader. It's basically a B2 with the new anti-jam attachment, and is supposed to have really tough shells that don't crack as easily as the Halo/Reloader shells. The TOO is only about $60 new.

[Bunker Busters]

I don't have access to HPA
"play it again sports" in Roch. will fill HPA tanks for ya.

[Rambo]

Cool!! So then I can get the Ion and not have to worry about it... So what size tank should I get? And where do they sell them cheap?

And is the Ion good enough to compete with some high-level markers? I've been thinking about joining a league, and I want to be sure I get a gun that will allow me to atleast hold my own against ppl with high-end markers...

[WreckingCrew]

Cool!! So then I can get the Ion and not have to worry about it... So what size tank should I get? And where do they sell them cheap?

And is the Ion good enough to compete with some high-level markers? I've been thinking about joining a league, and I want to be sure I get a gun that will allow me to atleast hold my own against ppl with high-end markers...

The Ion is a good starter but you will find out that you will outgrow it pretty fast if you stick with Paintball

[Thalion]

The Ion will work, but there's better out there.

Profilers are nice masks, so you're set there.

As far as HPA goes, I'd recommend a 68/4500 (68 cubic inches or ci, 4500 fill pressure) or a 70/4500 if your local HPA source can fill to 4500. Most 3000 psi tanks are steel, which is code for cheap and heavy. You're going to want a carbon fiber tank for lightweight -- it'll cost more up front, but you'll thank yourself for it later when the setup has better balance.

[Bunker Busters]

another idea is to check out some of the buy/sell/trade sections in the local forums. check the one out on here and also mnpig.com, mnpig pry has the best selection for local players and there is new stuff on it everyday.

as for the ion, I have to agree with the above post "you will out grow it very quickly" I have been very happy with my mini and you would not have any problem holding your own against higher end markers.

this is a good deal if your looking for a mini.
mini (http://www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1283)

[Rambo]

That mini will stand up against high level markers? It seems pretty small... Why is it better than an Ion?

I will look at the mini... It does seem like a good deal!

[Thalion]

That mini will stand up against high level markers? It seems pretty small... Why is it better than an Ion?

I will look at the mini... It does seem like a good deal!

It'll hold its own. After all, most events have a rate-of-fire cap, and the mini can easily hold its own inside the 15 BPS limit (standard at many events).

Size only matters in the sense of if it's comfortable in your hands or not. If it works for you, then it'll be great. If it's too small, then look for something else.

I'll let a mini owner better explain the merits, but some of the things that stand out to me are: autococker threaded barrels (more common allowing for better barrel selection), simpler design/teardown/maintenance, made of better materials, etc.

[MayhemBrando]

That mini will stand up against high level markers? It seems pretty small... Why is it better than an Ion?

I will look at the mini... It does seem like a good deal!

My team went from A5 and Auto cockers to ions, then to dm4s dm6s and minis, now we are going to egos...

Ions a good starting marker not that complicated but you will out grow it like we all have....

Minis are made from some type of metal and not plastic like a ion is....
I wish I knew more about them... and thats pathetic cuz I used to own one...
I will look up the stats and list them here for ya bro.

Im not trying to be biast here to get you to buy my mini. LOL its my buddies anyways. But for 2 bills you get a better marker with more settings.. Yeah its tiny but they ion is relatively is too.
But you cant run Co2 on the mini... That would not be good
We will be out at the next end of the month game at splat your more than welcome to shoot it. Or if you can't wait get a hold of me and we can arrange something. Not everyday in paintball you get to try equipemnt out before you buy it.

[Rambo]

Ok, that makes sense. Now my question is, would a PM6 hold its own? I like the looks of this one, is it a good deal?

http://www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1230

[MayhemBrando]

Mini Specs Brand New on Action 324.00
Weighs in at 1.99 lbs including barrel, ASA, 9 volt battery, and regulator, making it one of the lightest and tightest electronic markers available
Outstanding velocity consistency
Break beam anti-chop eyes standard
Multi-mode (NXL, PSP, NPPL, and Millennium) firing capability with easy "tournament lockout"
Clamping feed neck
Takes autococker barrel threads
No hoses to crimp or break
Low pressure
20+ BPS
One year limited warranty through KEE Action Sports
Uses N2 / Compressed air only


Ion Specs 199.00 New at Action
Ultra fast rate of fire - 17 bps in semi auto and rebound modes, and 10 bps in 3 shot burst or full auto modes.
Extremely lightweight - weighs in at just 2.2 lbs.
Break-beam Vision eyes - shoot up to 17 shots per second without ever chopping paint
Interchangeable Body Kits - Instantly change the color of the Ion's body with 4 different composite shells
Adjustable trigger - shorten the trigger pull without ever taking the Ion apart. Full adjustable forward and back travel to customize the trigger exactly how you want it.
9 volt battery operation - easy to find and replace 9 volt batteries. No more expensive battery packs. One 9 volt battery is included. Does not come with charger.
Easy disassembly - One 1/8" Allen wrench (included) is all you need to disassemble the Ion
Vertical feed tube Orings - fit a wide variety of hoppers without having to buy a new feedneck
Durable ball detents - last 10 times as long as current ball detents
Gas efficient - get between 1000 to 1400 shots from a 68ci 4500psi fill
Impulse / Ion 12 inch barrel and Impulse / Ion feedneck threads.
Includes barrel cover and parts kit
Also fires on anti siphon CO2 - 800 shots for 20 oz. tank
Note: Additional Body Kits sold separately. Select your favorite color from the drop down menu above!

[MayhemBrando]

Ok, that makes sense. Now my question is, would a PM6 hold its own? I like the looks of this one, is it a good deal?

http://www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1230

Proto is a Sub company of Dye
Dye makes fantastic products and their comstumer serivice is top notch.
That is an equal marker if not better than the mini...

[MayhemBrando]

Proto is a Sub company of Dye
Dye makes fantastic products and their comstumer serivice is top notch.
That is an equal marker if not better than the mini...

Yeah at that price thats a tough choice...
Personally I didn't like my mini because it was to small...
I have never shot a proto but it can't be all that different from a DM...

but the problems with DMs or the problem my team has had with them is they are really really weather finicky. My teammate has a dm6 and he has to turn the dwell up to make it shoot if the temp is below 50F.... The minis just shoot paint no matter what.

If the bolt assembly is like a DM constant maintance has to be put on them because there is like 10 orings on the bolt alone. Lots of lube and making sure the orings or intact. If one is bad your gat leaks...
Every gun has it plus and minus...
The problem wiht the minis is the old versions sucked and that was the issue.
LOL
I hope im being helpful

[Rambo]

How small is the mini? I have pretty big hands, and small guns sometimes feel so small I can't shoot them...

With the PM6, how often would the orings blow? Like every now and then? Or like every hour? And does the PM use HPA or CO2?

[Thalion]

PM is HPA only.

In general, electronic markers cannot take CO2. The exceptions are:

1. SP1/Vibe because of a regulator that will bleed off CO2 before liquid CO2 gets to the solenoid

2. E-gripped blowbacks (I don't consider them "electronic markers" because the electronics isn't essential for the operation of the marker, but that's a whole new discussion)

3 (semi-related). Some mechanicals are HPA only, most notably any automag with an x-valve. However, most mechanicals can take CO2.

[MayhemBrando]

How small is the mini? I have pretty big hands, and small guns sometimes feel so small I can't shoot them...

With the PM6, how often would the orings blow? Like every now and then? Or like every hour? And does the PM use HPA or CO2?

The o-rings shouldn't blow that often... Depends on how much you shoot... but you have to check them constantly just to make sure.
Yeah and above everything you don't want to shoot Co2. Avoid that as much as possible. Nitro is SO much better!

[Rambo]

I think the mini would be too small for me, so I'm thinking about going for the PM6. Is that a good price for that gun? And I can still go with the Halo Too hopper, right?

http://www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1230

[MayhemBrando]

I think the mini would be too small for me, so I'm thinking about going for the PM6. Is that a good price for that gun? And I can still go with the Halo Too hopper, right?

http://www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1230

Its a 3 year old gun but it looks fantastic...
I think its a fair deal..
You would need some type of agitating hopper or force feed to get that gat moving... A halo would be a good choice if you can spend the money on one I would highly recommend a Rotor. Your more than likely to upgrade on your pm6 eventually and if you just get a rotor off the bat you won't have to upgrade on that.
Don't buy an egg... They are just plain terrible... Velocity juniors are good choice and a revy if they still make them

[Sarge]

The mini is better then an ION because it has
-autococker threads
-clamping feedneck
-BOB technology (back out bolt)
I personally would go with the mini because with proto/dye guns you have a bolt with a lot more orings to worry about then with the mini (I've owned both)

[Rambo]

Is a rotor worth that much more? I'm kinda low on $$ right now with buying all this gear, so is it worth it? Or will it prly be cheaper by the time I'd buy it anyway?

And if I fdon't get the rotor, should I get the Halo TOO or the Vlocity J?

[MayhemBrando]

Is a rotor worth that much more? I'm kinda low on $$ right now with buying all this gear, so is it worth it? Or will it prly be cheaper by the time I'd buy it anyway?

And if I fdon't get the rotor, should I get the Halo TOO or the Vlocity J?

I have been playing for 7 years now and there has been only a couple pieces of paintball equipment that I can not live with out.

The rotor is the best thing to come out for paintball since compressed air.
And I love lucky barrel kits to death...

I have one already and Im going to buy another one by the end of the month..
Rotors are simply amazing...
I would go with a Junior over a halo.. I personally think halos are turds but thats just my opinion... I had one and the thing lasted a week

Yeah equipment is spendy but once you have the gear then all you have to worry about is paint...

[WreckingCrew]

Its a 3 year old gun but it looks fantastic...
I think its a fair deal..
You would need some type of agitating hopper or force feed to get that gat moving... A halo would be a good choice if you can spend the money on one I would highly recommend a Rotor. Your more than likely to upgrade on your pm6 eventually and if you just get a rotor off the bat you won't have to upgrade on that.
Don't buy an egg... They are just plain terrible... Velocity juniors are good choice and a revy if they still make them

I know of someone selling a Empire Magna with RF kit :P

[JJohnson]

Ok, that makes sense. Now my question is, would a PM6 hold its own? I like the looks of this one, is it a good deal?

http://www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1230

I hold my own with my PM6:) That's what I currently shoot and have been shooting for over 2 years. The older PMs, DMs, EGOs, ect. all shoot close to the same as their 08/09 counterparts, main difference is just size and weight, they keep making them smaller.

[JJohnson]

How small is the mini? I have pretty big hands, and small guns sometimes feel so small I can't shoot them...

With the PM6, how often would the orings blow? Like every now and then? Or like every hour? And does the PM use HPA or CO2?

Yeah, I have a friend who shoots a Mini and when I've tried it it is just too small for my hands.

O-rings will be the main problem for any gun, but at least with my PM6, I've only had one problem with it and that was during a tourney last month. It was leaking around the bolt so I de-gassed it, took the bolt out, checked the o-rings for damage (they all looked fine). Then re-lubed it, put it back in the gun, gassed it up, and there was no leak.

Otherwise the other problems I've had with it have simply been a result of it needing a new battery.

[JJohnson]

http://www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1191

And there is a good price on a used Vlocity Jr.

Friend of mine is selling it cause he got a rotor now (hopefully I can afford one soon too:D )

And yeah i made 3 posts in a row...just got back from up north and this thread grew from 1 page to 4 while i was gone.

[Bunker Busters]

just an FYI there is a guy on PBNation selling a mini, halo, 68/4500 for $300 shipped. just thought I would let ya know.

[C4 Explosives]

Rambo, i'm gonna step in here and throw down my 2 cents, and probably get laughed at...
Minis, egos, A5's and all that are tempting, but you have to find the marker that suits your playstyle. So I would say, start simple, spend more time on the field, and figure out how you like to play. Woodsball and speedball are 2 totally different games and I think that if you try to find a marker that does both well you'll end up with a marker that does both not so well, meaning you'll want different markers for both!

I agree with people talking about the mini, I think it can handle both pretty well, but if you think it's too small then decide where you'll spend most of your play time, on a speedball court or a woodsball field. For woodsball, it's simple, get an in-tune (or well main-tained) Tippmann 68 Carbine or 98 and hit the fields, you can pick one up CHEAP and have enough left over for a nice tank and barrel. For speedball i'd go for the mini, ego, etc. You can use the in woodsball, but again it depends on how you want to play, do you go for the one-shot kill, the ambush, or rush?

[Stretch]

I have pretty big hands and the mini works very well for me, but if you don't like the feel of the gun you should probobly find something else. The best way to pick out a gun is to try as many as you can. It's ok to ask for advice but I wouldn't let anyone tell you what you should buy. There are lots of great guns out there, it's really all personal preference, just get something you like. When your at the feild ask people to let you hold their gun, in my experience ballers are pretty good guys (there are exeptions of course) so you shouldn't have a problem. I personally really like the vlocity jr but, you will probobly want to change the chip for a gangstar or a virtue, you will have much better battery life and you wont have to deal with that annoying humming sound.

[Rambo]

Ok, that's a good idea. I should go to a field and hold some guns... I will do that before I purchase one.. Thanks for the advice!!

And I'm looking for a mask and found this, but is it the whole mask, or just the goggles themselves? Where could I get the whole thing?
http://www.directpaintball.com/VForce-Morph-Goggles-P3106C4456.aspx

[Thalion]

That place is selling the whole mask. What you see is what you get.

[slick assasin]

IMHO oppinion a good mask (one that is comfortable and doesn't fog up) is as, if not more important than the marker you are shooting. I see it at fields all the time, a guy has a high end marker but is cussing the whole way back to the dead box because he got shot because his mask fogged up and he couldn't see. Masks are something a lot of people overlook when getting into the sport.
As far as markers go I tell everyone looking for a good value in a marker to look at a mini. I own a mini and I can tell you it does almost everything as well as my ego and considering it is about 1/4 the price you can't go wrong.
You are looking for a marker that you can play speedball and woodsball with and the mini will do both extremely well. Size of the marker really refers to the weight and actual body dimentions more than anything. The mini weighs in at 1.99lbs but the frame is as big as anything else out there. I have big hands, I wear size XL gloves and the mini fits me great
The idea that there are "speedball" markers and "woodsball" markers is pretty much a myth. What there are are low end, mid, and high end markers. The only type of marker that is really genre specific is the "milsim" type, these markers are designed to simulate real firearms and are not nessesarily designed for optimum performance as paintball markers but more for looks.
People tend to get the idea that if a marker is small and fast it must be designed for speedball. This is entirely not true, smaller, lighter markers are designed for optimum paintball performance. After all, why would you want to carry something around that's three times as heavy as it really needs to be? The weight is due to cosmetics and lends nothing to actual performance.
Don't get me wrong, milsims are sick looking markers but if you're looking for performance I'd look elsewhere.
Also, don't let people try to tell you that if you don't have a big marker with a stock and sight that you can't be a "one shot one kill" player, once you get familiar with your marker you can hit anything you want with one shot sight or not.
Most electro's available today can be tuned to be extremely consistant and consistancy is the biggest part of paintball accuracy.
Whatit all comes down to is what you like. like everyone has said, go to the field and try out a few markers to see what you like because everyone has their favorite and everyone shoots each marker different.

[*mess*Chain_gang]

^ I have to agree. People over looks masks way to much and if I could go back I would have bought a good mask to start with. Right now im rocking the flex and Love it. The only time I fog anymore is when it rains and I think it's just the water on the goggles.

[Rambo]

So is the mask I'm thinking about getting good? Will it fog up?

[Thalion]

So is the mask I'm thinking about getting good? Will it fog up?

It's ok.

There's worse, and there's better.

Vforce as a whole are good products though.

[AKA]

I'm glad to hear that your going to get into Paintball, Rambo, and I know how tuff it can be to get started with the right equipment to play the Game. I've had many many beginners come and go through the PBPBC and have watched them buy high end equipment before really finding out if they will enjoy playing ALOT of Paintball or can afford to. And after only a few short months find out its not for them and now their Gear is up for sale.
Then I've seen alot of money spent on equipment that they have no knowledge of how to repair it and having spent everything on a primary marker don't have a backup, so they sit out of the Games until someone gets a chance to repair their Marker or Hopper. So just find a Marker and a Hopper well within your budget and of course your Goggles and get out and play Alot of Paintball and before you know it winter will blow in, and saving up for the Gear you really now know you want is when to get it. Thus making your start-up gear your secondary, and if you will be back for the 2010 season you'll be on your way to becomming a Full time Paintballer.:cool:
Sorry for no advice on what to buy, because you see, I am still shooting the stock low ends and vintage Markers after 10 years, and still do just fine.;)/AKA

[Rambo]

Thanks for the good advice. I'll prly go to some fields when there will be lots of ppl so I can hold some guns and see how they feel.

Does anybody know of a good sniping gun? My brother wants to be a sniper and is wondering what gun to use. sniper:)

[cutstep]

(pulls asbestos hood over head) there isnt such a thing as a sniper in paintball (zips up rest of flame suit) and he will find that he has a whole lot more fun running around shooting people then laying in the grass for 30 minutes waiting for someone to cross his line to take a shot. trust me.... I like so many others when they started paintball toyed with the idea of sniping and almost everyone realizes that they have more fun the other way

[gramps99]

AKA probably gave you the best advice that anyone could possibly offer, Rambo.
Don't plan on your first choice in guns being the same choice you would make if you had been in the game for a couple of years.
I think the worst thing you can do is pour all your current funds into a expensive marker when you are a fresh face, (notice I didn't say "newbie").
Buy something you can easily afford and still have money to play on. If you get a "perfect" gun and then can't afford to shoot, what good is it going to be to you.

On the subject of sniper markers, I gotta say my preference leans toward a good pump.

[JJohnson]

As far as "sniping" goes in paintball, it's not so much about what gun or even what barrel.

Paintball "sniping" is being a good shot with whatever gun you use and finding some good cover to hide in.

Some people can sit there for an hour and be perfectly happy will shooting a few people out. Me, I kinda tried the whole sniper thing one time, even made a homemade ghille suit. I sat there for about 5 mins before I charged off into the woods to take some people head on; all while wearing my ghille and with a 50 round hopper on my A5.:)

I would say that few people can be a "sniper" and I'm one of the people who absolutely CANNOT sit still in a paintball game so I'm obviously not the "sniper" type.sniper:)

[Thalion]

there isnt such a thing as a sniper in paintball

Sure there is.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/SpinDoctor15/Sniper%20I/SniperI02web.jpg

http://www.paintballguns.net/images/wgp-sniper-2.gif


Wait. You didn't mean the WGP Sniper.


In that case, I agree. The only paintball sniper is the WGP marker.

[JJohnson]

Sure there is.

laughing:) I thought of that too when I first saw the whole sniper thing.

[Rambo]

ummmm.... I don't get it. Why is that funny?

[slick assasin]

ummmm.... I don't get it. Why is that funny?

Autococker pumps or autocockers converted to pumps are called "snipers".
Nothing to do with actually being used for sniping, just a name they were given.

[Thalion]

ummmm.... I don't get it. Why is that funny?


Sorry.

I was showing pictures of WGP snipers. It's just a product/marker name, has nothing to do with the earlier sniper discussion.

[Rambo]

Does anybody know where I can get a HPA compresser for cheap? Like one that could fill up to 4500? All the ones I can find are like 2-3 K...

[oncenothing77]

those are the only ones there are, the cheapest i found was 2K too

[JJohnson]

Does anybody know where I can get a HPA compresser for cheap? Like one that could fill up to 4500? All the ones I can find are like 2-3 K...

HPA compressor and "cheap" don't belong in the same sentence. They usually run like $3-5k and are huge.

I would say $1-2k is probably the cheapest that you could find a used one for. I actually missed buying one for $400 a few years ago; our fire station upgraded and auctioned their old one off and $400 is all it went for. Would have only filled to like 3000psi, but that would have been ok for $400.

[Thalion]

I just get air fills at paintball fields when I go, or at other pro shops if needed between games.

[Urban Ninja]

Yeah, what Thalion said. You just kinda have to make your air last, or know somewhere you can get it filled. Or, you can be like me and have a stock class phantom and just go buy 12 grams at Wal-mart :D