How do we reach Woodsball players [Archive] - Minnesota Scenario Paintball Forums

badmoon

12-11-2007, 07:37 PM

go play paint ball day! we advertise on the radio and or TV because not all the players have computers or access to computers, all the Fields charge less if you bring some one who has never played at the field before try to make it a big movement like go skateboard day is for the skater kids. it seems to work very well for them i have never seen so many skaters out in one place before, even try to incorporate in the spring big game some how. it would be very nice if we could get all the fields in the state behind it. it would be a lot of work but i would be willing to put volunteer time into it, and I'm sure more people would be willing to donate there time into a worthy cause like getting more people into our lovely sport. there out there we just have to get them away from the video games and the mall. 93x would help a lot, it has in the past. right? brigade:) it would take a big commitment thou.

Darrin

12-11-2007, 07:49 PM

I thought I would never say this but Nate (badmoon) you have a good idea.

What would be a good date for something like this?

And what are some good ways to get the whole State in on the act?

I know my field would be up for something like this, we have a few free play days a year.

I think I can get Kee Action to help promote a Free day if it's not just for a few fields.

This would also be good for teams and clubs.

Lets think of a date and lets get the wheels turning on this.

Maybe even get the Governor to proclaim a Paintball Day! :)

badmoon

12-11-2007, 08:30 PM

omg the rarely seen ezd complement i think i just pooped a little. :eek:
more to the point we call all the fields and see if they would be in for in or even to contribute a little to a promotions fund. like you said the governor is a great idea, kee and maby other hell maby every one. lets not set the bar low, we could post on every site and get the wheels turning. get some kids in different states to put time and effort in on this to call other field in there respective states. get pros to do magazine promos. the only down side would be all take money for this, :( but maby not. set it up so the company could wright it off maby. if its good for the sport its good for every ones pockets.300a:) i know a weird thought we all work together. but not to unfeasible. a lot of phone time though, to a lot of people hopefully with little convincing.the date is up too you, but maby early spring right when it turns green and is nice. i don't know just a thought.:character00285:

Badger

12-12-2007, 03:56 PM

If you can square away a date next year, I'm sure the entire MN Militia (or as many as I can get) would love to help referee this event for you. Personally, I'd like to see the extreme-veteran teams referee an event like this, so it's not a "fish in a barrel" event for highly skilled players. I think if your major sponsored teams all pitched in to referee it, you would A) have plenty of refs to go around, and B) keep the skill level on the field to the newbie range.

Personally, all I'd ask in return would be to post signs day of game about my Battle of Serenity Valley game in July.

I think this might be a great opportunity for CC Military Surplus to hold a store out there so they can advertise to all the unknowns of paintball about their store.

Any other thoughts? I copied and pasted this beginning thread onto our team forums too, so I can get many more of the team involved. I asked them to join this forums here and help contribute ideas and physical help for this event.

~Badger beret:)

Thalion

12-12-2007, 04:16 PM

If I can come on the day this is suggested, I'll help ref. I won't be able to commit until I know the date though.

I'll try to get other Sentinels involved as well.

badmoon

12-12-2007, 06:43 PM

i hope this can get huge. we should start trying to put together phone lists to stores and manufactures and dividing it up after we come up with a better outline of how what when and involvement level into advertisement? :D

Squib

12-12-2007, 10:19 PM

Great idea!

Why stop with just Minnesota why can't this be a nation wide or possibly an international thing. Just a couple guys started 'international Talk Like A Pirate day' and now it's known world wide, It was on radio and tv news. The two men are now famous for starting it and are now featured in the game Pirates of the Burning Sea. they didn't imagine that it would have gone that far.

Get on the local news, contact associated press with the idea. Get the ball rolling and see how far it goes.
This would be a great venue to advertise for games, people would travel to events just to say "I played at the field where the national go play paintball day started" Or "I met the guys who started it".

Here's a wiki entry about 'Talk like a pirate day' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_like_a_pirate_day

Badger

12-12-2007, 10:46 PM

Squib has a great point. You really don't know how big this could get if everyone got on board. However, with all things, it usually starts small and becomes big later. Look at Darrin's Giant Big Games. His first ones were only about 200 people. It took a while for him to achieve 800+ players. I love the idea of this, but don't be surprised if it's not nationwide overnight.

On a side note: I love your saying at the bottom of your posts, Squib! laughing:)

Badger beret:)

Oldest Sage

12-13-2007, 10:55 AM

Many of the people that play on their own land do so because of cost and transportation. Don't think we can fix the transportation but if it's advertised wide enough and cheap enough the ones with transportation will show up.

Darrin

12-13-2007, 01:26 PM

As for this forum it would be nice to reach people that play on their own land as well, there is nothing wrong with playing on your own land if it's allowed.

If you can shoot a real gun on your land you should be able to play paintball. ;)

I think the "Pick Up Game Forum" is also a good place to post games that may not be at a paintball company.

badmoon

12-13-2007, 05:06 PM

thats what i was talking about we need to really start organizing. i always hoped it could be huge i have had the idea for a wile i usually get shot down so quick i usually keep my mouth shut:character00118:

Darrin

12-15-2007, 06:20 PM

Dec 14 there was a meeting of field owners and I told them of the Paintball Day plan in MN.

The tink the date of June 22, 2008. should be the first Minnesota Paintball Day.

The ball is rolling.

badmoon

12-16-2007, 12:57 AM

Very Cool Do We Have Numbers To The Feilds That Where Not There?

badmoon

12-17-2007, 06:12 PM

or has any one started talking to there respective paint dealers to see if we could get deals on paint or money to advertise. secondary we should since we have all these teams that are willing to ref, instead put on basics clinics on a field. to help people that would normally only play on their own land to come out to some of the real Fields. or just to calm some parents down, so they don't think they are just dropping their kids off to shoot each other with no clue how to do it safely and intelligently. i know i would be down to teach some people how to more more aggressively.

Thalion

12-26-2007, 06:47 PM

The "basic clinic" idea sounds good by me.

I'd help ref or run with one of those as needed.

Krutsie

01-29-2008, 02:01 PM

How about having a skill challenge obsticle course. with pop up targets like the police go through.?

Badger

01-29-2008, 02:11 PM

Side note to Krutsie's skill challenge:

Tactical Paintball in Texas holds an annual sniper challenge, giving away a brand new decked out sniper rig to the top person. I think it would be great to have something like that up here at Splat Tag. If interested, we should start a brand new thread. I don't want to hijack this one.

OK, back to discussion about helping out new players and the National Paintball Day...

I could see us all running something for the noobs, the parents, and the kids. Like, get all the veteran scenario teams together and pick a topic they could teach. You train them for roughly an hour at each base out at Splat Tag, and rotate groups of 10-20 from station to station. Possible stations could be:

Sniping and/or Camouflage (Mayhem)
Field Command (Sentinels)
Squad Movement (Wild Bunch)
Accuracy (Kanoha)
Communication (Militia)
Attacking a Fortification (Warfare)
etc.

Granted, nothing is written in stone here, and there could be more stations/other teams to go over that information. The above is just an example to illustrate my point.

This idea could be done either in place of gaming on that National Paintball Day, or some other day so Splat Tag could run its own version of a Paintball Boot Camp. beret:)

Mustangman

01-29-2008, 06:09 PM

i think the Working Class Heroes would be willing to help out as well.

Thalion

01-29-2008, 06:55 PM

The Sentinels will be willing to help.

MayhemBrando

01-29-2008, 07:29 PM

[QUOTE=Badger;1758]Side note to Krutsie's skill challenge:

I could see us all running something for the noobs, the parents, and the kids. Like, get all the veteran scenario teams together and pick a topic they could teach. You train them for roughly an hour at each base out at Splat Tag, and rotate groups of 10-20 from station to station. Possible stations could be:

Sniping and/or Camouflage (Mayhem)

Haha, This is a terrific idea! If Darrin is willing to set something up like this I would love to do this... but my guys don't know a thing about sniping nor do we care about being camouflaged. I know you just put random names into the spots. I just found it funny that are was in front of that.

Again though this is a great idea.
You could even have a station with basic marker repair. My guys get asked to fix markers all the time out at Splat.

Sweet idea Badger for sure!

Vander

01-29-2008, 07:54 PM

I know you just put random names into the spots. I just found it funny that are was in front of that.

Ha-ha! Whenever you guys put on those Star Spangled Bandannas... *poof* where's Mayhem?

Accuracy... I love accuracy! Nice! I'm on it!

"natural body alignment, sight picture/sight alignment, take a deep breathe, and squeeeeeeeze the trigger on the exhale... just ignore that the ball curved outta the barrel, kid"

But seriously... nice idea, Badger. I bet this would work pretty well.

Thalion

01-29-2008, 08:14 PM

Just as an add-on to my thoughts on this:

You may want to keep the classes/workshops to things that involve hands-on practice. I don't think many new players are going to want to sit and be lectured on something without a chance to practice it as well.

I'll work on some ideas for things to do in some of these cases.

We might want to combine sniping with accuracy, then move camo to a section of a new workshop called "stealth" (covering camo, "tree walking", and staying quiet while on the move). That way, there's some skills to practice for both.

Vander

01-29-2008, 08:53 PM

Anyone have a "lesson plan?"

littlebreadman

01-29-2008, 10:49 PM

Thalion

01-29-2008, 10:49 PM

Anyone have a "lesson plan?"

I'll design my lesson plan once I know what subject I'm covering.

Podoz1

01-29-2008, 10:52 PM

I'll defintly help in this once there is a date planned and I'll dust off my old forum accounts and get the word out there. ALso Thalion I say we should cover as badger said field command.

badmoon

01-30-2008, 02:14 AM

what the heck badger aces cant help out not like its my idea or any thing but thats cool i see how it is. laughing:)

Badger

01-30-2008, 09:10 AM

Well at least you're not taking what I say verbatim, Badmoon. laughing:)

On a serious note, anyone seen Darrin lately? I was hoping he could chime in with his "go/no-go" on this idea, and when a proper date could be arranged if it's not the N.P.D. Right now, all of this "boot camp" idea is just and idea until he says let's do it. You know?

beret:)

badmoon

01-30-2008, 02:46 PM

he might be in new zeland i know he was planning on going before artic blast.

Badger

01-30-2008, 03:29 PM

That would make total sense, Badmoon. Thanks. beret:)

Podoz1

01-30-2008, 06:16 PM

You'd think that he would still have internet access in the nice hotel that he most likely staying in.

Thalion

01-30-2008, 06:38 PM

You'd think that he would still have internet access in the nice hotel that he most likely staying in.

Doesn't matter if he's out of the hotel enjoying himself all day.

We'll hear from him at some point before the event, so I'm not overly worried about it.

MayhemBrando

01-31-2008, 12:47 PM

If Darrin does a customer appreciation day, I think that would be a good time to get this thing together..
I dont know why but I have this feeling that it would hard to get people to come out to this just solely on this camp. In my mind its not worth going through the trouble of organizing it if 20 people show up. If we have it on day were people are going to be able play. They can at least use what they learned that day from us and put it in use right away.
Though, Darrin is very good at getting word out about anything...
I dont know I just throwing some input out there...

badmoon

01-31-2008, 03:08 PM

You'd think that he would still have internet access in the nice hotel that he most likely staying in.

who said darrin would pay for a nice hotel hes probly staying with family over there hes the only one in his family that was not born in new zeland. ask dre about it. he still has an accent some times its pretty funny.

badmoon

01-31-2008, 03:10 PM

MayhemBrando

01-31-2008, 03:49 PM

Yeah if its a free day all the better... I don't know, did anyone plan on making people pay for this? I can't really say any team here is an expert on anything... I am sure everyone has there speciality and enough advise through exp. Don't get me wrong with that.
I was thinking this was a kinda thing were we are giving back to people and sharing our experiences with kids or whoever to help them become better paintball players.
I guess that really up to Darrin to like charge or what not.

badmoon

01-31-2008, 05:22 PM

i wasnt expecting to get payed for it. i just dont want to play and scare people off from playing ever again too much of a barrol shoot ya know

Thalion

01-31-2008, 06:40 PM

I always assumed that we'd be doing this for free, either because the day itself is free or we're just free with regular entry. We wouldn't be charging them to hear from us.

MayhemBrando

01-31-2008, 06:58 PM

i didn't mean us to be paid. I meant charging people for our advise...

AKA

01-31-2008, 11:07 PM

This is great to see things coming from just a idea to something real. I think its a great idea and should really do a lot for the sport.

On another note, if you want to get in touch with all the people that already play the best way really is word out mouth. All of the events I have attended have been from word of mouth. I live in northern Minnesota and play with a small group of people from my home town. For us its always been really hard to meet up with people form anywhere else for just a backwoods game. If you wanted to really start getting to a lot of the people you will have to reach someone from each small group to inform the rest of them. most of the people i play with don't know the first thing of whats going on outside are town, let alone any events or other games going on. I think if you wanted to reach the people like me the best way would be though websites like facebook and myspace.

For me its hard to hear about anything that is going on out there, i get my paint online, my co2 from the hardware store. the closest field that i know of is SFP, and i have never been there. i would love to be able to play the same games i do now in the woods with 20+ people instead of the 10 or so we can get for a game.

I think there are two things a day like this is set up for, National Paintball Day was set up for all paintballers to have a day of recognition through-out all paintball land. A day all Paintballers get out and play paintball for all to notice that we do excist. Meaning; could you immagine that say, alone in Minnesota 5,000 paintballers were milling about the towns and people ask what and where the heck you people going? "We're going to play Paintball!" Does'nt matter where your going to play, just that you and a bunch of your buddies from around where you live are going to play on that day.
Now World Paintball Day is to have the same affect, but with a twist and that is to get players like Littlebreadman and his group to play that day, but at an oranized field where all other players that don't have their own private places to play will also be. What should happen is that private field players and rental feild players combine to show that we are here and we all are in this sport together.
Now the reason for quoteing Littlebreadman is this; Three years ago I was like him, a private field of players, unaware that there were Teams, Clubs and businesses out there in such a large scale. Til one day one of our players found The Giant-Game on the internet, so we attended and it was GGVI where I believe there were 634 players.:eek: Yes you bet I was in shock, I did'nt believe my eyes. I have been bringing our Club back to play every Game since then and then some. So Littlebreadman is right, these are the people that need to be contacted by all means possible and to be let known that fields will be having discounts for this day. So there will be no need to rob little brothers or sisters piggy banks to take part in an orginized field Game.
I know we're all not sure what Darrin's Discounts will be, and should not speculate, but should wait until he posts what he intends to do for his field that day, but instead tell those we contact to play that day, to call ahead to the field they would plan to play that day and ask for the type of discount they are offering for the World Paintball Day Game./AKA

badmoon

02-02-2008, 03:32 AM

i didn't mean us to be paid. I meant charging people for our advise...

ya for sure either way would be free in my head never pictured makeing people pay us of for it ( d might have something to say about it lol)jk

Podoz1

02-02-2008, 10:39 AM

I support the idea that it is a free day then have an optional paintball clinic.

littlebreadman

02-02-2008, 11:51 PM

I think there are two things a day like this is set up for, National Paintball Day was set up for all paintballers to have a day of recognition through-out all paintball land. A day all Paintballers get out and play paintball for all to notice that we do excist. Meaning; could you immagine that say, alone in Minnesota 5,000 paintballers were milling about the towns and people ask what and where the heck you people going? "We're going to play Paintball!" Does'nt matter where your going to play, just that you and a bunch of your buddies from around where you live are going to play on that day.
Now World Paintball Day is to have the same affect, but with a twist and that is to get players like Littlebreadman and his group to play that day, but at an oranized field where all other players that don't have their own private places to play will also be. What should happen is that private field players and rental feild players combine to show that we are here and we all are in this sport together.
Now the reason for quoteing Littlebreadman is this; Three years ago I was like him, a private field of players, unaware that there were Teams, Clubs and businesses out there in such a large scale. Til one day one of our players found The Giant-Game on the internet, so we attended and it was GGVI where I believe there were 634 players.:eek: Yes you bet I was in shock, I did'nt believe my eyes. I have been bringing our Club back to play every Game since then and then some. So Littlebreadman is right, these are the people that need to be contacted by all means possible and to be let known that fields will be having discounts for this day. So there will be no need to rob little brothers or sisters piggy banks to take part in an orginized field Game.
I know we're all not sure what Darrin's Discounts will be, and should not speculate, but should wait until he posts what he intends to do for his field that day, but instead tell those we contact to play that day, to call ahead to the field they would plan to play that day and ask for the type of discount they are offering for the World Paintball Day Game./AKA

three years ago i was just like you were, we have grown as a group since then. I like you found the giant big game(not sure which one, it was in fairbult which was a amazing game) and it opened our eyes to everything, how big paintball really was. two years later we were at dday. again that reopened our eyes to the sport. i am from northern Minnesota where we just play in our back yards( luckely we have a endless backyard to play in) but ill do my best to drag along as many of us to national paintball day as i can.

Krutsie

02-03-2008, 09:00 PM

Thalion

02-04-2008, 12:00 AM

How about a Clinic to Help Captains Lead and make good battle Decisions. Unlike most Captains I will Humble myself and say I am not perfect and do second guess myself in Battle at times and would like Imput from sucessful Captains.

I like it, but the clinics are meant for helping players new to paintball. We could always have a different clinic sometime for more advanced players and include that there.

badmoon

02-04-2008, 12:14 AM

or we have 2 levels of clinics at different times i would love to go to an advanced tactics clinic for team leaders maby we could try to get spec opps out or some other huge teams.

Vander

02-04-2008, 09:01 AM

I think it would be worthwhile to have a team rep from each team show up to a dinner or something (bar, VFW) sometime soon. We could hash stuff like this out. What's a good central location, though? ha-ha...

Most of the time we don't really get a chance to talk during games. Just an idea...

Do you guys have points of contacts, or team managers? I'm the POC for Team Konoha, if you didn't know already.

Badger

02-04-2008, 09:03 AM

I represent the MN Militia, and the Lollypop Guild on occasion. beret:)

Vander

02-04-2008, 09:09 AM

and the Lollypop Guild on occasion. beret:)

Ha-ha!!! Those angry little guys freaked me out as a kid!

Mustangman

02-04-2008, 09:10 AM

what about Mankato, it's about an hour from all of us except Militia maybe. Krutsie and I had tossed that idea around as well at one point in our discussions of a scenarioleague. I think it's a great Idea and would definitely help paintball relations in MN.

Darrin

02-04-2008, 10:57 AM

I just bought a 1/4 page add in PB2X for "World Paintball Day" June 22, 2008.

I did not have a lot of time to get the AD ready so it is just plan text.

__________________________________________________ __________

I am reading a lot of great ideas and I am already planning a few from this thread for my field, but I want everyone to think about this site as well and what it can do for MINNESOTA PAINTBALL and ALL PLACES TO PLAY.

Yes I do run Splat Tag but this MN SCENARIO web site and my questions are for ALL SCENARIO PAINTBALL FIELDS.

Special Forces Paintball
Mission Creek Paintball
Adventure Zone Paintball
Combat Zone
Northside Sports
Splat Tag

We need to keep trying to come up with great ideas to help bring in New Players to all these Scenario Paintball Companies.

Keep the ideas coming! Great job.

Badger

02-04-2008, 11:03 AM

If it's not too late, Darrin, I can probably design you something for your ad, so it's not just text... beret:)

Darrin

02-04-2008, 12:49 PM

I will contact you if I do it again, but this AD was close to $500 so I do not think I will be doing that again. :eek:

Badger

02-04-2008, 01:09 PM

Yeeouch.

Yeah, it's what kept me away from advertising my books in any magazine. I felt it was much more feasible to just write articles and put a blurb at the end of each. beret:)

Thalion

02-04-2008, 03:16 PM

Do you guys have points of contacts, or team managers? I'm the POC for Team Konoha, if you didn't know already.

I'm the main contact for the Sentinels.

Mustangman

02-04-2008, 04:37 PM

so what about some sort of meeting for all of the team leaders. there is a Perkins right off of 169/60 in Mankato that we could meet at so we wouldn't have to even go downtown for those unfamiliar with the area? seems like a good idea, could invite field owners as well, to present a balanced opinion? just an idea.

Mustangman

02-04-2008, 10:41 PM

let's keep this fresh

Podoz1

02-04-2008, 10:46 PM

I'm somewhat familiar with MAnkato seeing that I run through it 6times a year but it doesn's mean I'll guide anyone through it. And Ii think I've stopped at the perkins or around that area afew times. There is also St. Peter (more familiar with that area).

Vander

02-04-2008, 11:22 PM

there is a Perkins right off of 169/60 in Mankato that we could meet at so we wouldn't have to even go downtown for those unfamiliar with the area? seems like a good idea, could invite field owners as well, to present a balanced opinion? just an idea.

I going to just throw it out there.

Sunday February 17th 5:00 pm (1700) Central Standard Time at the Perkins in Mankato off of 169/60 .

What do you guys say? Let's just have a sit, talk about our ambitions and Minnesota P-ball... hmmm? usf:)

Mustangman

02-04-2008, 11:38 PM

I am game, let's get it on!

Krutsie

02-05-2008, 08:15 AM

sounds good. 5pm is when i get off work. 6pm would be cool. or I could make a grand entrance? LOL

Krutsie

02-05-2008, 08:17 AM

I guess it would help to look at my Calendar, thats a Sunday LMAO. 5pm is fine, Unless its snowing(snow removal as a Job)

Thalion

02-05-2008, 10:13 AM

I think I can make it down for that.

Mustangman

02-05-2008, 02:59 PM

so Vander, myself, Thalion and Krutsie, so far. Anyone else interested? Darrin? Badger? anybody else?

Badger

02-05-2008, 03:58 PM

That's a bit far for me, unless I could carpool with Darrin if he goes. beret:)

Darrin

02-05-2008, 04:16 PM

That is a little to close to my trip to New Zealand.

Sorry I can not make it.

Darrin

badmoon

02-05-2008, 04:17 PM

im in possetion of a van and will be able to drive some people? just pm or post for me

Vander

02-05-2008, 04:37 PM

Badger... you're in Oakdale... I can stop and pick you up. I like Nate's van idea though too.

Badger

02-05-2008, 05:12 PM

If you would like to pick me up, Vander, that can work. I appreciate that. beret:)

Vander

02-05-2008, 05:42 PM

Yeah... no prob. Remind me to e-mail you my phone number.

Mustangman

02-06-2008, 11:39 AM

Anyone else? this meeting will be to allow some us to introduce ourselves and get to know some of the people we only talk to online. it will also be to talk about what we can do to help Darrin with the WPD. and anything else we end up talking about.

Podoz1

02-06-2008, 05:54 PM

Well I won't be able to make it seeing the whole protective parents (no offense mom). But i'm still open to what ever you guys deside and see if it will work with my schedule.

AKA

02-06-2008, 06:06 PM

I wiil try to make it, if I can figure out how to undo my leash. Mankato huh! I should be able to find it since I was born there and alot of my family still live there. That is if a Club Commander is welcome!:rolleyes: I know how you Team players can be sometimes.:cool:/AKA

Mustangman

02-06-2008, 10:22 PM

yeah, we team players are a bunch of loose cannons, can't handle working with others. generally lone wolfing it. in the end there really is no TEAM in I. JK, AKA, would love to have you join us. anyone from Farmland?Wild Bunch?

badmoon

02-07-2008, 02:28 AM

should we have some one pm for phone numbers to call every one or we strickly doing this on the forum.

Mustangman

02-07-2008, 08:20 AM

if you feel that there is someone who would/should/wants to be there, then by all means call them or have them get on this forum to find out more.

MayhemBrando

02-07-2008, 11:26 AM

Mankato isn't in the cards for me. I am sorry I wont be able to attend this, My bro's birthday. And I pitched in and got him a Mini so I want to be there when he opens it. Sorry guys.

Mustangman

02-07-2008, 01:06 PM

Brando, is there any other rep from your team that could make it?

MayhemBrando

02-07-2008, 01:09 PM

I am the only one in the cities. All my guys are up at UMD finishing out there last year. I talked to them about it, but they are getting swamped up there so nobody is able to make it down.

Mustangman

02-07-2008, 01:10 PM

ok, completely understand. pm me your phone number, then and i will be in touch.

Mustangman

02-08-2008, 07:58 PM

are there any teams out there that haven't been contacted that we should give the opportunity to be a part of this meeting?

Vander

02-08-2008, 08:44 PM

Please correct me if I didn't get this right:

Current Mankato Meeting Roster

Badger from MN Militia
Mustangman and a couple others from the WCH
Thalian from The Sentinels
AKA from PBPBC
Krutsie from Woodland Security
Badmoon from Work Release (just kidding, buddy) Aces High
Vander from Team Konoha

and a few more, right Mustangman?

Badger and me are riding together... and that's what I know so far.

Mustangman

02-08-2008, 11:12 PM

hoping for a few more yes. if there are anymore teams out there that would like to be a part of taking MN paintball to the next level, please feel welcome to come.

Vander

02-08-2008, 11:59 PM

Here's a map to the PERKIN'S (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1123+Range+St+,++Mankato,+MN+56003&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.555061,82.265625&ie=UTF8&ll=44.182296,-94.010224&spn=0.021635,0.040169&z=15&om=0) in Makato.

Meeting at this Perkin's on February 17th (Sunday) at 5pm.

Mustangman

02-09-2008, 10:56 AM

yep, that would be the one. easy to find, it's right off the highway. those of you coming from the cities will pass under hwy 14 and will see it on the right about a half mile past the overpass.

badmoon

02-09-2008, 02:08 PM

i might not be able to make it but i will send a representative in my place. if i dont make it work relese funny youll pay for that lol

Mustangman

02-09-2008, 06:54 PM

that would be great, again, the idea is to have a point of contact with as many teams as possible.

Thalion

02-11-2008, 10:35 PM

Guys,

I've gotten a new wave of work from the University due yesterday (well, actually this week), and the midterms are going to be around the week after that. Add that to my work situation (after all, need money to pay that tuition and to play paintball) and it's nuts for the next few weeks.

I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to bail on the team meeting this weekend in Makato.

The good news is this big crunch will be over by the Frostbuster, so I guarantee I'll be there (actually, the Frostbuster is right before spring break at the U of M, so I'll have a whole week of no classes to catch up on my work).

Anyone going, definetly fill me in on what I miss. As for the actual World Paintball Day that is being planned, I will have myself and team members able to help, and we'll do any job needed.

Apologies all, and I'll see you all at the Frostbuster,

Mustangman

02-11-2008, 11:38 PM

Tim, your waffling on me? that's allright, i'll just make sure to shoot you first :scared0012: and give a detailed report later:D

Vander

02-11-2008, 11:52 PM

Hey Matt? If it turns out to be just me and you I don't think we'll need the conference room, huh? laughing:) It seems like our numbers are dwindling.

Vander and Mustangman just may have to decide on the fate of MN Scenario Paintball all by our lonesome, then... ha-ha.

I'm just messin' with you, Thalion... school's first, obviously.

Mustangman

02-11-2008, 11:57 PM

we'll see, hopefully some fo these other guys are still coming. spoke with a couple of guys from teams that aren't weren't on here, saw one signed up tonight. see if anything develops there.

MayhemBrando

02-12-2008, 12:06 AM

How about you guys set a new date?

Vander

02-12-2008, 12:32 AM

How about you guys set a new date?

ha-ha-ha! Touche' on the obvious, huh?

What do you think, Matt? What does everyone think?

Mustangman

02-12-2008, 08:19 AM

What ABout March 1st or 2nd?

Vander

02-12-2008, 09:07 AM

I'll be in Lutsen March 1st and 2nd... March 8th or 9th would be better for me...

MayhemBrando

02-12-2008, 09:21 AM

How about Arctic blast? I bet most of us are going to be there anyways. There is a A@W 15 mins up the highway. How about after playing we go up there? HMMM?

Mustangman

02-12-2008, 09:42 AM

the point in holding in it mankato was so that it's about an hour drive for every body. Splat tag is a 3 hr drive one way for me.I won't be coming to the Arctic Blast, I am hosting the Frostbuster already on the 16th.I say we leave it the same for now and if we need to have another meeting later we can try and arrange it then.whoever shows up shows up. we can't keep moving the date. the only person who has said that they can't come is Tim. i have his phone number and we can fill him in or call him if we have questions for him.

Coulda

02-12-2008, 11:16 AM

Thalion

02-12-2008, 01:19 PM

We can always call Tim before/during the meeting to and see if he has any concerns that he wants brought up to our attention. I don't think he will mind us bothering him for a minute or two since he won't be making it all the way down here.

Yeah, I can spare a few minutes. I just can't spare 3 hours (1 down, 1 back, 1 at the meeting).

So far, everything I've seen on here looks good. I don't really have a whole lot of concerns. You can count on my team helping on World Paintball Day.

Vander

02-12-2008, 01:23 PM

Yeah... we should just keep it at Feb 17th at 5pm.

Enough people can come yet; and we'll fill everyone else in on what was discussed at all of the games we'll see each other at this summer... not to mention the forum too.

One idea that I have been chasing... seeing what the Minnesota Amateur Sports Commission can do for us...maybe something. I know that they are more into
"traditional" sports... but I've seen WAY too many motivational speakers to accept a "no" as an answer... ha-ha.

Badger

02-12-2008, 01:44 PM

Vander, I hear this guy is available...

http://www.gonsalves.org/favorite/chris.jpg

"Well... ladee FREAKIN' daa!!" beret:)

Vander

02-12-2008, 01:55 PM

laughing:)

...looks familiar...

badmoon

02-12-2008, 01:59 PM

im going to be able to make

Mustangman

02-12-2008, 02:19 PM

great nate, will be nice to put a face to some of these names.

badmoon

02-12-2008, 10:30 PM

you might not want to, why do you think we play a game with full face masks. some homely players out their. and im way way werse in person. at least with the comp i have a few sec to think about what im typeing. lol

Badger

02-12-2008, 10:34 PM

Wow... Is there a mask out there that corrects English skills? Just kidding you, Badmoon. beret:)

See you guys at the meeting!

badmoon

02-15-2008, 10:40 PM

Wow... Is there a mask out there that corrects English skills? Just kidding you, Badmoon. beret:)

See you guys at the meeting!

yes badger you wanna come over so i can introduce you to it its brand is louisville slugger. lol previsly stated not all of us are wrighters and spell check only does so much and i care not to proff read. jerk

Badger

02-15-2008, 11:59 PM

Relax. beret:)

badmoon

02-16-2008, 01:25 AM

i am dont worry i wont kill you .... yet laughing:)

Mustangman

02-16-2008, 08:48 AM

I'm looking forward to Sun. hope to see as many as possible there.

Vander

02-16-2008, 10:58 AM

My only concern is what to order at Perkin's.

Badmoon and Badger are riding with me.... looking forward to it!

Mustangman

02-16-2008, 11:07 AM

gotta like their chicken tender melt. yummmmmmm

badmoon

02-16-2008, 12:15 PM

dude im a big fan of the captn catch myself or a bigger fan of breakfast food. i dont know wich way to go about it

Vander

02-16-2008, 01:07 PM

OOo! Chicken Tender Melt! I was thinking an omelet, but now I don't know.

Krutsie

02-16-2008, 01:31 PM

I wont be there but frank(ISH) will be coming as our team Rep.

Ish

02-16-2008, 04:07 PM

Shhh i was going to pass myself off as you joel.....:p

AKA

02-16-2008, 06:39 PM

:) I will make it! And a Monte-Cristo /w Twin-Berry Syrup, for Me.drool:)/AKA

badmoon

02-16-2008, 06:54 PM

wow im hungry now.

Vander

02-16-2008, 07:05 PM

Agh! You guys are making me hungry too!

Coulda

02-16-2008, 09:27 PM

I think I am going to have an omelet, but I will say that the chicken tender melt does sound really inviting.

Vander

02-16-2008, 11:21 PM

Hey Badmoon... be ready to go at about 2:30pm, cool? I'll call you to get the final directions.

And Badger? We'll be picking you up about 20-25 minutes after that, cool? I'll call you for when I'm close.

Look for a GORGEOUS 1996 Teal Chrysler Concorde.... ridin' in style. Sorry to say but the wet-bar in the backseats was taken out.

What would the formal dress-wear be for the Perkin's in Makato?.... I may select my camouflage ball-cap and jacket ensemble by Carhart, myself.

Mustangman

02-16-2008, 11:57 PM

and you will be significantly under-dressed as I will be sporting my OD '07 DDay t-shirt and jeans.

Vander

02-17-2008, 12:18 AM

ha-ha!

Then I will step it up to my flannel pants and SCSU sweatshirt!

Ish

02-17-2008, 11:22 AM

Hey guys sorry to say i won't be able to make it to the meeting to represent woodland Security.... i'm stuck down in west union IA.. 10am now and already 3-4inchs of snow and 1/4 inch of ice on the roads....

Matt if you can call and give me a recap of everything that went on i would apprecaite it...

Thanks
Ish
<Frank Fulsom>
woodland security

Watcher

02-17-2008, 07:47 PM

My squad [Backwood Ballerz] participate in some of the surrounding local town "days". Last year, we attended "Pennock Fun Days" where we were able to talk with and show off some of our equipment to the local paintballerz. We even had a bunch of parents come with to learn that the sport isn't just a bunch of hoodlems running around breaking the law. We had demonstrations on safety, marker care and a shooting range where they could learn how to use a variety of equipment including the JCS launcher. We had a wonderful turnout. They invited us to attend again this year, and we are going to add some more to the event this year. I think this is a perfect way to get in touch with people that don't get a chance to travel to bigger events. We have been challenged to a battle between us and the Appleton State Prison Gaurds police:) because of this little town's get-together. More on that to follow.

Badger

02-17-2008, 10:52 PM

Watcher,

We on the Minnesota Militia do pretty much the same thing each year in Morristown, at Ahlman's 3,000 Guns. Each year, Larry Ahlman holds a two day event called Shooters Roundup. It's a large gun show where many top names in firearms show up and showcase their guns.

Larry has asked us about 5 years ago to hold a paintball booth, so we have. We have a shooting booth, where people can learn about paintball guns, the sport, safety aspects, and anything else. In the last 3 years, we even opened it up to offer a small woods course where people can "shoot the sniper". One of us is the sniper, and hides out in the woods. The patrons have to walk the trail set up and find the sniper out there. If they can get to the end of the trail and ring the bell, they win a prize. Some make it, others don't, but everyone loves our booth.

Shooters Roundup is run the fourth weekend in August, and you can find out more at www.ahlmans.com.

Badger beret:)

Vander

02-17-2008, 11:32 PM

Thanks to all that made the meeting!

Good times! It was nice to put faces with the names.

I came up with an idea on the ride home: If we titled the website "Minnesota Paintball" with a domain www.mnpaintball.com (which is available) we would get the Google searches for Minnesota Paintball and a familiar domain name AND we could use a more fitting title for the Minnesota paintball team alliance.

Any ideas for the name yet?

Mustangman

02-17-2008, 11:34 PM

Thanks to everyone that came to the meeting tonight. let's all get to work on the ideas we discussed and turn this statewide club into reality. for those that weren't at the meeting i will post up a brief about it tomorrow.

Coulda

02-17-2008, 11:55 PM

It was nice to meet all of you. I hope everything that was talked about works out the way we want.

AKA

02-18-2008, 12:20 AM

Hey, glad to see everyone made it home safely. A meeting like this would be nice to do more often during the off season. It was great to meet the people I've been talking and reading with over the years in a nice sit-down paintball chat. The topics discussed sound promising for Minnesota Paintball and its future. This could be the start of something good for all of us who play the Game. I like your your idea on Web Site Name and Orginization Title Name, Vander, they both fit and describe what its all about. I'll await your write up Mustangman and post our group picture soon after./AKA

Vander

02-18-2008, 10:25 AM

One issue with my idea... who would host the website? 300a:)
detail, details.... ha-ha.

But anyways.... to share one component of our meeting (more from Mustangman soon… maybe we should start a new thread, Matt?)

We are looking to unify the Minnesota teams under one organization. The advantages: networking throughout the state, more exposure and recognition for National Events, better coordination for our own events, promotion of the sport to new players (possible education/training opportunities)... and perhaps registration of our organization with the Minnesota Amateur Sports Commission (?).

The website could simply be named Minnesota Paintball; with a domain name of "mnpaintball.com".

Now we need a suitable name for our Minnesota allegiance of teams…. Some ideas tossed around so far:

BTW…No sports-teams references… copyright issues (Nice save, Badger)

Northwoods Command
Minnesota Paintball Club
Minnesota Splatters

Any other ideas?

Krutsie

02-18-2008, 12:45 PM

BEEN THER TRIED THAT!!!!. lets try something new. MNRAT for example ,worked my but off for 3 years to get people into mnrat and got cold shoulders from every team that had issues with the old team mn rats,(Paintball Expo,wont mention names) loyal forum gowers got bored with it.MNRat is still around and I am still the SE Rep but the forum is a ghost town.
I had a falling out with a good friend who wanted to form an organization called SMPA(Southern Minnesota Paintball Association) He didn't want a team,(which was my goal)he just wanted to unify the area paintballers in one Association. Its failed in his first year. Altho ,through him telling me I was a dead beat that my team would never get off the ground, that inspired me to focus on the team only. Our squad is going to be 20 strong this year and we have a Paintball sponcer. I've had lots of Ideas to beter Paintball in our area. Frank and I Were going to organize a 10 sppl style league this summer. due to small details we are posponing the League till next year.
I like Watcher and Badgers idea about going out to the community and letting Citizens,Parents.even Police know we are normal people who enjoy playing in the woods.
I have discussed it with a few of my squad and we feel another association is a mistake. lets stay supporting Darrin and Chat on his forum www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com .what road to take instead? not sure.

Coulda

02-18-2008, 01:43 PM

Krutsie, I understand your concern with this idea but there are alot of things that went on with mnrat that would not let it run anywhere near full potential. Being one of the founding members of MNRAT, (I have been around since the team idea first started and was part of the original team) I do not want, nor feel the need to discuss mnrat on here. If you want further explanation about it send me a pm. Right now, mnrat basically does no longer exist. Yes the site is still there but there are no admins since our last crash and the only way to get them back is to recreate the whole forum. This forum covers alot of what mnrat tried and it was exceeding what mnrat ever was so I do not feel the need to start that forum over.

Vander

02-18-2008, 02:00 PM

Everyone at the meeting last night was on board for this idea.

One failed attempt at unification shouldn't mean that the idea be abandon, really.

The mnpaintball.com website wouldn't replace MNPig or MSPG... it would probably be just one page of links; MN Teams, MNPig, MSPG, World Paintball day. It would include the purpose of the group and be an informational hub for MN paintball. Some may say that other sites do this, but having another source for the same information is called a "redundancy" and is a common business tactic for on-line marketing strategies. The MN forum would stay here, obviously.

Krutsie, I encourage you to re-consider... having ALL of the Minnesota teams support this endeavor would only be to everyone's advantage, you know?

Krutsie

02-18-2008, 06:11 PM

Maybe if we didn't use the words association or organization and had everyone Equall and no ranked people in the group. you gotta understand I'm Gun shy on the Idea. I appologize about not showing up at the Meeting. ISH was stranded in Iowa and I wasn't able to make it. maybe if Matt or some one wants to call me I might consider re-considering,(I lost Matt's Number) mine is 1-507-533-6413

Podoz1

02-18-2008, 06:25 PM

I support connecting teams together but that point I thought was to connect all scenario players in Minnesota and Winconsin (sp?). NOt being at the meeting last night I don't know what exactly happened.

AKA

02-18-2008, 07:04 PM

Here's one way to look at the Team unification or group of Mn. Teams, it is a place where Teams or Clubs such as mine can be helpful in Events put on by other Teams in the State. Take Watchers Team or Badgers or any of those that do have their foot in the door to the public of intrducing themselves and Paintball, in events in their area, I myself don't have that oppurtunity but would surely volunteer my time to help out my fellow Paintball team to show that we are not always opponants in Paintball. If a team were to put out an open invitation to the other teams within the unity for some help with an event I'm sure there would be some takers as long as their schedules allowed. I myself would surely like to see how its done and can certainly learn from the experiances of other Teams in the State and from their area. It is just simply showing the Public that orginized Teams and Groups in Paintball do get along and are not always shooting each other up to vent our hostilities. The unity is not meant to be a one Team or a one large group of followers with leaders or commands. But just simply be a unity for all to do things that concern Paintball in Minnesota, together./AKA

Krutsie

02-18-2008, 07:31 PM

I'm all for team Unity.I just think key words,Association,Organizations and wrong words. thankyou for your insite AKA """"Minnesota Scenario Teams Unite"""""" just roled off my tounge

Erndogg

02-18-2008, 11:53 PM

If I am not mistaken, what you are looking into doing is something along the lines of what the Badger Brigades is. It is an network of teams that helps promote paintball, spread the word about games hosted by teams, that kind of thing.

If that is indead what you are looking at doing. I am all for that. Suburban Support is a member of the Badger Brigades. I am willing to help out where ever I can. As long as we dont have any border battles lol.

Money will be tight this summer, So I dont know how many drives to Mankato I can do, but I am always here.

Mustangman

02-19-2008, 10:27 AM

Krutsie, i called and left you a message. you need to return my call. until then you need to just relax.

The meeting went extremely well, the purpose and thought behind the meeting was , I think, well worth the time. There were 10 of us there and we discussed many things about a unified Minnesota paintball organization , club, whatever you wanna call it. somebody on here mad ereference to the Badger Brigade, and yes that is a model for us to consider. the purpose of the organization ( for lack of a name or better word ) is to like AKA alluded to create a unified and common approach to not only players, but parents and the community at large. Yes, a statewide club will enable us to develop better, larger and possibly more frequent games. Yes, a statewide club will help us garner national recognition when our members attend national events. The purpose of this is to create a better atmosphere across the state between teams. to promote safe play. to bring in people who don't realize that there are other people, teams, and bigger better games out there. Krutsie, what Dave did was alienate himself from the rest of us. we are going in the opposite direction. we want to give everyone a voice. to provide every team with a place they can be proud to say they are a part of. We are not looking for an dictatorial organization. we are just trying to give everyone a better way of networking. that is why we extended the invitation to as many teams as possible. I'm sorry that some couldn't make it, but there will be more in the future. now if there is anyone else who feels put off or left out, please contact me and we would really enjoy the chance to include EVERYONE in this venture. this isn't about me or Badger or AKA or Badmoon or Coulda or Vander, this is about everyone trying to move us forward.

Badger

02-19-2008, 11:33 AM

I think that's the big fear some might have, that they would have to bow before some higher power telling them how to run their individual team. That's not how this would work. It's just an affiliation because we live in Minnesota, nothing more.

Also, it's meant to bring about a sense of brotherhood if your team travels to a national event, like OK D-Day. We would come together well beforehand and decide collectively which side to run on, the Allies or the Axis side. We don't want Minnesota guns shooting at Minnesota guys.

That's how BadgerBrigades runs their operation. No one bows before Ghost Wolf who created BB. He's not some supreme leader in Wisconsin, and that's not how this creation would work in Minnesota. If anything, it would remain a round table discussion with leaders/representatives from all the MN teams on how best to promote the sport to others. That's it. beret:)

(Mustangman has a plot to take over the world, just not through this means.) laughing:)

Coulda

02-19-2008, 11:52 AM

(Mustangman has a plot to take over the world, just not through this means.) laughing:)

You might think that this is funny.... I know it to be true

Thalion

02-19-2008, 11:59 AM

I understand where you're coming from Krutsie. I'm willing to give it a second shot, and here's why: times have changed. People have changed. Opponents of the first organization are not necessarily opposing now. Just because we failed once does not mean we should give up on the idea forever.

If I gave up on the first problem that came up and did not try again, the Sentinels team wouldn't be here. I tried to get a team off the ground before them (before MnRAT even), and it failed horribly. After MnRAT moved to the modern organization it became, I decided to rebuild that failed team idea blending old candidates from the first try with some new faces. This time it worked, and we're now heading into our third season this year.

The moral of the story is just because an idea fails, it doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad idea. One just has to try and learn what went wrong and how to fix it.

I think that's the big fear some might have, that they would have to bow before some higher power telling them how to run their individual team.

I'm not sure why anyone would fear this is happening, especially seeing how we have no central "head" behind this plan.

For example, with the Badger Brigade, Ghostwolf is the "president." Whether he has any authority or not behind the title is something unknown to me, but the title seems to imply he would to those unfamiliar with the organization.

In our case, we don't have a "president" or other central figure behind this idea.

I know there has been some interesting "politics" (for lack of a better word) in the past with some of the various teams of Minnesota. I'll admit I may have even contributed to it some of the time. I think that if we can get everyone onboard with this, it has a good chance of working out.

badmoon

02-19-2008, 01:39 PM

my only problem with the meeting was i thought it was supposed to be about world paintball day but i guess bait and switch is cool. i like the idea but it should have a separate post with a new title not just tack it on for world paintball day.2 separate point 2 separate threads. i also feel that we did not adress world paintball day. enouph 10 min at the end of the meeting lame im just pist i had to go to kato for it. im not the only one that feels this way im just the vocal one.

Mustangman

02-19-2008, 01:43 PM

Nate, actually WPD was actually discussed at length, just need some more teams to put in their thoughts. things such as what date to have it, how to structure the clinic, who would lead classes, etc. were all discused and yes i agree the organization of an alliance or coalition or club or whatever we decide to name it should have it's own thread or maybe even it's own board.

badmoon

02-19-2008, 01:53 PM

well maby i wouldn't think that if it was discussed at length with the table not just you Tim and badger, at the end of the table. i don't know felt like you trying to be elitist their mustang. you didn't even consider my ideas like your running the show you steam rollered everything i said all night, think about it.

badmoon

02-19-2008, 02:10 PM

and i thought you all figured that, the team would lead the class each team would have a different time slot to teach so other teams could sit in on other classes. each team would have an hour to teach inform people with. class time not more than but could be less than 30 min then we could take over a feild like rebles ridge to do on feild worf with them, that the team would also help teach their. the reason i say rebles ridge or maby even blue base. is because we would have a nice feild and a netted in area to do the class room part. any thing i leave out should be posted. and i havent seen the post that actually discuses at some leangth what was talked about at all. just an obsevation.

Vander

02-19-2008, 02:51 PM

Maybe we should have another meeting...?

I think that we were just all getting to know each other too. Alot of it was socializing.... at least I was. :D

We have SO much to coordinate maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an actually "round table" after a day of play this summer. I think that we at least established a good foundation to grow on for the future of Minnesota Paintball.

A clarification of expectations may be in order for the next meeting; establish some goals... that kind of stuff.

badmoon

02-19-2008, 02:55 PM

we should post for each team, what they want to teach.team leader only on this please. too cut down on confusion

i would be up squad command(like Sgt level not general level), gun fighting, on Field presence, and or equipment up keep. ill take any of these subjects. up too people we have played with too say i guess. what are we best at?
or good suggestions for classes.

laughing:)i used spell check badger see my grammer sux when im typeing fast. i out think my hands ha laughing:)

badmoon

02-19-2008, 02:56 PM

Badger

02-19-2008, 03:11 PM

We should post for each team, as to what they want to teach. Team leaders only on this please, too cut down on confusion.

I would be up for squad command (like Sgt. level, not general level), gun fighting, on field presence, and/or equipment up-keep. I will take any of these subjects. up too people we have played with too say i guess. (Doesn't make sense.) What are we best at? or good suggestions for classes. Does anyone have any other good suggestions for classes?

Lesson ended for today. beret:)

badmoon

02-19-2008, 03:15 PM

aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh no. no. no, more it is worse then high school. no more i yeild i yeild:scared0012:help:) ohh and im skipping class next tuesday. and don't bust me smokeing in the mens room.

Mustangman

02-19-2008, 04:11 PM

Nate, if you have issues with me then you need to address them off line, by calling me, 507-227-3385. and there were more than just me, Badger and AKA involved in that discussion. your assesment of me is way off base and you can ask anyone who has known me for more than two hrs that I GENUINELY care about the people I play with and the betterment of the game. your last post highlighted some of the things that were talked about there. Like Vander said, this was largely a "socialization" event. Unfortunately, because of distance and other logistics we can't meet more often. as far as the meeting was concerned, if I were an "elitist" I would have not bothered to bring any of my teammates, invite people from all over the state, or opened up the table to discuss the things that we were there to discuss. i have also had very limited computer access the last two days, as i am in the process of installing a new floor in my living room thus forcing me to use the internet at my parents' house. I will try and do a write up as soon as I have access at home. again, if you have issues with me, you need to address it privately.

Mustangman

02-19-2008, 04:14 PM

also after discussion with others who were in attendance we will be trying to establish a board of directors involving as many people as possible. thus establishing a formal way to conduct meetings. sorry, my elitist tendencies get in the way for every one else.

badmoon

02-19-2008, 04:22 PM

no problem just pointing some thing out i noticed and some other people noticed thats all man. and ya not all of that are my words. I'm saying if you wanted a meeting about starting a club it should have been said. thats all.

Bizzare87

02-19-2008, 07:13 PM

I revoke my comment

Vander

02-19-2008, 07:37 PM

I think we definitely need another meeting... let's all just get drunk and happy together.

I do know one thing for sure... It is really hard to fully convey a message via forum or e-mail. So I hope that everyone is not too mad at each other and remembers this fact.

Take a sec to smile ----> chicken:)

Okay... I'd like to caulk up the meeting as a good first meeting... outlining a basic intent of the group and getting to interact socially, you know? I don't think that it was a waste (maybe not so productive, but not a waste). At least the guys that rode with me didn't have to pay for gas, right? :D ...flippin' freeloaders (I joke, I joke).

We really need to have Darrin involved in these decisions anyway, and he'll be around soon enough. WPD is going to happen at Splat Tag, so maybe the next meeting should be there...? Arctic Blast? Darrin will be there, we'll actually get to play together and then we can discuss some more about WPD.

The unification stuff can be back-burnered, really. Maybe we should learn to walk together before we run together, you know?

Bizzare87

02-19-2008, 07:40 PM

well said too much too fast.braveheart:) I shall smite thee vander for such words.rofl

Vander

02-19-2008, 07:43 PM

Okay... now you owe me gas-money....ha-ha!

Bizzare87

02-19-2008, 07:47 PM

try and find me....doh homer moment.

Mustangman

02-19-2008, 09:49 PM

ok, maybe i just wasn't clear enough when I suggested the meeting. I aplogize for that, my intention was to kill about 3 birds with one stone. yes, the meeting was unorganized largely because I didn't want to appear like the contro ling PITA that I can be. ( ask my teammates) I was hoping for a more informal round table and in my opinion that's what we had. there is a lot to be worked on for WPD as well as the club, alliance, organization, attempt at world domination......... you get the point. I think it is something that is sorely needed but am willing to leave it alone for now. I think and realize that it is going to take a lot of effort to make it work and that there are a lot of details to be worked out. it's a long road and not one that can be summed up or accomplished in one short meeting.

Krutsie

02-19-2008, 10:09 PM

Maybe we should just have a discussion among Team captains only.

Bizzare87

02-19-2008, 10:38 PM

So captains only.Poo guess I can't discuss then.

AKA

02-20-2008, 12:42 AM

Sorry I have'nt been able to join in on your dicussion until now, but have read everyones opinions on things so far. Its too bad for us if we can't even take a simple 2-1/2 hour meeting for a starter on somethings that don't have to be finalized for some time. I saw the meeting as breaking ice for the ones that attended and getting to know each other first. In no way hostilities should've ever come from a first meeting such as this. First of all, we who attended were in know way to be the responsible ones for anything that was discussed in breif details. But just part of the large number of people we need to be in on both dicussions. If we show disorder, confusion, hostility and finger pointing on our first meeting I for one would understand anyones hesitation about getting on board with this kind of ramblings. I know things take time and a lot of work and commitment from people to get anything worth doing off and running with any hopes of success.
The World Paintball Day may be the first look at Teams working together to accomplish the same things we're looking at for a unity of Teams, Sqauds, Clubs or even indaviduals to be part of. So if we can't show that by working together by the time and work it needs to be successful then I think we're already in trouble before we can start to unite.
If anyone feels that I have wasted their time in their travel to the meeting please let me know and I will re-imberse you for your gas and pay you for time loss for whatever its worth./AKA

Mustangman

02-20-2008, 12:55 AM

So, on the topic of WPD, does anyone have a suggestion as to when we should try and host the clinic?

Thalion

02-20-2008, 01:49 PM

So, on the topic of WPD, does anyone have a suggestion as to when we should try and host the clinic?

I'd suggest the current date of World Paintball Day, June 22.

We could have teams working in different sections of the field at different times, and give the players who come for the clinics a complete listing of events happening (for example, "Squad Tactics by Aces High, 1pm at Rebel's Ridge fort").

Badger

02-20-2008, 02:53 PM

We could call ourselves:

Team Minnesota: State Police!, then launch ourselves out of some Minnesota landmark in cool brightly, colored vehicles. beret:)

http://www.celluloid-dreams.de/content/images/kritiken-filmbilder/team-america-world-police/team-america-world-police-1.jpg

Vander

02-20-2008, 02:59 PM

We could call ourselves:

Team Minnesota: State Police!, then launch ourselves out of some Minnesota landmark in cool brightly, colored vehicles. beret:)

Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!
I am SO on board for that!

It will be 911 times 2356.

Bizzare87

02-20-2008, 03:28 PM

I say the clinic be held either the day before or day of WPD.Probably more towards the day of.I liked the idea of having classes at specific times.

Coulda

02-20-2008, 06:23 PM

I think it would work best to have the clinic on the day of due to the fact that you would more then likely have a better turn out. At least I think it would be that way, I can see people be a little more willing to go to a one day event compared to driving there twice.

Also I couldn't help but laugh to the Team Minnesota:State police idea. I wouldn't mind it but it isn't based off of the most family friendly movie.

Badger

02-20-2008, 09:39 PM

I know, it's not kid-friendly. I popped that movie in last night and the idea came to me. Total joke there, to lighten the mood. police:)

Ish

02-20-2008, 11:15 PM

We could call ourselves:

Team Minnesota: State Police!, then launch ourselves out of some Minnesota landmark in cool brightly, colored vehicles. beret:)

lol kinda sounds like i wanted kurtsie to do with our team...

buy a short bus so we can take to games.... that was we can all fall out wearing bike helmets..
laughing:)laughing:)

gatta admit it would be pricless seeing a team do it :cool::D

badmoon

02-20-2008, 11:17 PM

i have alreday posted my ideas

Mustangman

02-20-2008, 11:28 PM

ok, so, on the idea of the classes, what classes do we NEED to hold and what classes do we WANT to hold? obviously safety, but what else is absolutely necessary to the game of paint ball? what is secondary, and can build on what is learned in the previous classes?

badmoon

02-20-2008, 11:35 PM

what ever teams are best at for classes

Badger

02-20-2008, 11:51 PM

badmoon

02-21-2008, 12:10 AM

or we could each do 2 classes

Krutsie

02-21-2008, 07:51 AM

lol kinda sounds like i wanted kurtsie to do with our team...

buy a short bus so we can take to games.... that was we can all fall out wearing bike helmets..
laughing:)laughing:)

gatta admit it would be pricless seeing a team do it :cool::D

It would be cool that my Heavy Gunner would call Me Krutsie not Kurtsie. LOL

I like the helmet idea. might consider it for the Halloween game!!!!!

Thalion

02-21-2008, 10:52 AM

This is just my two cents, but I think the NEEDED classes could be:

Safety
Squad Movement
Marker range and accuracy (since so many don't know how to move up)
communication (radio, verbal, hand signal)
field leadership (and following other leadership)

DESIRED classes could be:

Types of players (heavy gunner, sniper, point man, scout, etc.)
bunkered positions
taking ground and holding it
teamwork
snap shooting

All of these sound good, although I see one problem with the "types of players." I don't want some people to take it as a "this or this or this" strictly, not realizing there's a lot of blurring between them. I would say something more like "here are the basic gear stereotypes, and here's how they are best applied" (heavy, average, and light gear. Heavy and average can suppress, average and light move up the field first then cover for heavy to move up with them, light work well for scouts, flag runs, or stealth as well).

I know, I know, it sounds an awful lot like what you said. I just want to avoid any association with the "positions" (such as Spec Ops Paintball positions) because I see way too many poorly spelled (with grammer that approaches horrific) posts over on SO's forums about "what position should I be?" or "I want to be the best <position>, what do I need to buy?" I'm just trying to say that when we cover it, we should cover the subject from the point of view that "the player makes the position," not the other way around.

Maybe it's just an irritant for me. I don't know, is there anyone else who agrees? Disagrees?

Hopefully with this communication class, we can keep all that unnecessary (and non-game related) chatter from the walk-ons jamming up or radios come Giant Big Game. Anyone remember that feedback through one of Red Team's channels last June? Yeah, I had an earbud so that wasn't too fun.

So, starting with these classes, who wants to cover what? I am willing to do quite a few of them, but I don't want to take from other people if there's something you really want to teach.

Badger

02-21-2008, 10:55 AM

Yup, I agree, Thalion, and that's why I put it under the desired list, not the needed list. I guess it could be changed to something more like "style of play" to stay away from the SpecOps type of player issue.

Mustangman

02-21-2008, 12:46 PM

or, it could be addressed in a more military style approach, i.e. pointman, saw gunner, light rifleman, etc. I agree, the Spec OPs designations are ok, but tend to be too confining.

Goat

02-21-2008, 01:30 PM

yeah the classes will have to be kind of basic classes because for this event wouldn't many new faces be coming out? maybe for the range and accuracy we could play that paintball golf game that someone posted a few months ago ( i think it was badger) just because it would teach them accuracy and be fun at the same time instead of say shoot this and shoot this. because many of the kids will be on summer vacation and i no i wouldn't want to be in school in the summer. but i guess its not considered school if u got a paintball gun lol

Mustangman

02-21-2008, 04:13 PM

what if we were to use Badger's first book as a basis for the classes? each team could select a topic and take the corresponding chapter(s) from the book to help them teach the class. not necessarily as a text book, but more as a guide for the teachers. not only does it standardize what we would be teaching, but it could even be followed up at a later date with an advanced clinic. makes it simple for people that haven't ever taught before as well.

Badger

02-21-2008, 04:45 PM

Just me screwing around with an idea...

http://www.mnmilitia.com/albums/album63/PBSchool.jpg

badmoon

02-21-2008, 05:39 PM

very cool badger we should print off the imige with text and hand thenm out or post them at stores. maby even added to the worldpaintballday page for insperation for others around the country.

Thalion

02-21-2008, 06:48 PM

Badger, like the photo work.

what if we were to use Badger's first book as a basis for the classes? each team could select a topic and take the corresponding chapter(s) from the book to help them teach the class. not necessarily as a text book, but more as a guide for the teachers. not only does it standardize what we would be teaching, but it could even be followed up at a later date with an advanced clinic. makes it simple for people that haven't ever taught before as well.

I'm not so sure about this plan, but that has more to do with the fact that I've never read the book and would thus be completely clueless about the actual subject matter inside.

I've got a few ideas for some lesson plans in my head, but I'm waiting to see who wants to do what before I make any claims to some subjects.

Mustangman

02-21-2008, 07:41 PM

I haven't read but a few excerpts myself, but it's a start. would give us a common teaching tool. I don't know if any of the rest of you have ever had to teach a class or give a speech in a large group, but we need to be prepared. if we can use Don's book to do that then we are that much further ahead.the work has been doen for us as far as trying to develop a lesson, we just need to use it. the worst thing we can do is show up for this clinic and stumble all over our tongues cause we aren't prepared. We won't leave a great impression. remember the last time you sat in on a class and you kept hearing " and... uh...um... like... so" shows lack of preparation and if we are hoping to show parents that we are responsible then we need to prepare. if we all need to buy a copy of Don's book, it's a small price to pay. and we may even learn somehting from it. I was once told " Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." i believe that to be true.

Ish

02-21-2008, 09:56 PM

badmoon

03-04-2008, 02:24 AM

so i geuss no one cares about this any more or what?

Thalion

03-04-2008, 10:04 AM

so i geuss no one cares about this any more or what?

Nah, we care. Just no new information to pass on yet. Seems to me the next obvious stage is to talk to Darrin when he returns and get a date set in stone.

As far as course material goes, I think we should just have teams volunteer several ideas they would be willing to teach, and from there select which ones are important enough to be taught.

I'd also recommend that every team teaches the same class in the morning and another class in the afternoon. (Example - the morning course for Team A would be "Marker maintainence" while their afternoon course would be "Squad maneuvers." Team B will have two different subjects, as will the rest)

Just as an idea, the first subject is 10-1 and the second is 1:30-4:30. Have classes go about an hour (just a bit less). This allows the players to choose 3 courses in the morning and 3 in the afternoon for a total of 6 lessons from the teams.

At about 5, we could have a one-hour "big game" to let them play a game of paintball and apply what they learned that day.

That's just my thoughts to get a little conversation going.