New Tiberius First Strike Paintball

[EZD]

Tiberius First Strike Paintball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWkntHFp7s

[evolkers2003]

yea, i was waiting till either tiberius or special ops came out with this. To be able to make this idea work you needed to be able to produce clips and the guns to shoot the balls (cause lets face it no one wants to muzzel load). This idea isnt new its been around since the 80's but tiberius was in the position to do it finally i guess.


Im just waiting to see the price tag on the clips and the balls. If their cheap ill mod my ego to shoot first strike balls during speedball. I would be laning people like crazy!

[CrazyDave]

That is pure evil, I want a tac 9 now, guaranteed pistol ownage sniper:)

[JJohnson]

With those there can finally be real snipers in paintball.sniper:) Meaning guys with markers (or in this case paintballs) that can actually shoot farther and more accurately than most of the other players.

[Thalion]

yea, i was waiting till either tiberius or special ops came out with this. To be able to make this idea work you needed to be able to produce clips and the guns to shoot the balls (cause lets face it no one wants to muzzel load). This idea isnt new its been around since the 80's but tiberius was in the position to do it finally i guess.

Im just waiting to see the price tag on the clips and the balls. If their cheap ill mod my ego to shoot first strike balls during speedball. I would be laning people like crazy!

The price ridiculous. Also, I don't know of any way to hopper-feed these things.

Tiberius will be releasing magazines that are compatible with their existing T8s/T9s from what I heard, so it should be easy to convert the Tiberius markers. Converting anything else is going to be a lot more work and likely not even feasible.

[MondoMor]

Farmland member Bryce Larson tested them (http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/702316-post302.html).

Here's his video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fecvr_HWdBM

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these can use the same feeding system that the fn303 has

[Badger]

I'm not trying to be a tree-hugger here, just posing a question.

While it's really cool that you can probably get rifling to a paintball now, what does the future hold? What I mean by this is: let's say this is the future of paintball manufacture. Now, all guns carry this style of paint. What does that do for a paintball field if you eventually see thousands upon thousands of the rifling shells left over from countless rounds being fired off?

Does this make any sense when you read this post? I could understand if indoor places used them, because all you have to do is sweep up when you're done. But, in woodsball fields, would you eventually see a blanket of milky white shell casings laying everywhere?

Maybe I'm way off in that we'll never see an end to the conventional paintball and this idea will eventually fade because it's not deemed a sound enough idea for paintballers. Who knows...

Again, I'm just posing a question, because I don't know the answer myself. beret:)



Oh, and my other question is this, pertaining to the movie Darrin posted: Does Canada have lessor requirements on facial protection than the U.S., or the rest of the world for that matter? Or, is this guy just an idiot for not wearing a full mask in his demonstration?

[DeadEye]

I can't see this making the standard paintball obsolete until they figure out how to make it feasible to use with a hopper. Plus, you KNOW this is going to be a pretty spendy product.

[MondoMor]

I'm not trying to be a tree-hugger here, just posing a question...

That's a common concern, and one of the first things I thought of, too. I have read (but can't say that I know) that the "fins" are biodegradable. Maybe the same kind of plastic Airsoft pellets are made from.

[EZD]

Badger,

I am thinking the fin is gelatin too or I would not allow them on the field.
I can't find anything that talks about what the fins are made out of.

As for goggles and facemasks. In most demo videos people are never wearing goggles. There is no one shooting at him and the field looks closed to me. I'm glad to see him wearing goggles :)

There is no law saying people have to were a facemask when playing.
I think it is really dumb not to wear a full facemask and goggles when playing or around other people that are shooting and all insured fields must require them.

I do not know about Canada, but in a number of countries people can not sue like you can here, they have smarter people that understand that people are responsible for them self and it helps to have free medical :)

I go back to the early 1990's when for a few year 90% of tournament players played with out facemasks in hope to take a bounce of their face :eek: The guy in this picture (Tommy) took a shot to his upper lip at a Vegas NPPL tournament and he eat the ball. 300a:)

Plus on his gun is one of the first J&J barrels they came riffed and straight honed. I think I still have a slightly newer J&J Straight honed barrel for my cocker. The Terminator were sponsored by J&J for years.

http://www.minnesotascenariopaintball.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=165

[Thalion]

I'm with you on common sense, D.

Really, it's sad how far this nation has gone down the road of sue-happy, irresponsible, and perpetual victimhood -- "caution, contents are hot" on a coffee cup? Are they serious? Of course it is, it's coffee! Anyone who doesn't know that doesn't belong having any.

What's next, pencils saying "caution - do not poke into eye" on the side?

[WreckingCrew]

I'm with you on common sense, D.

Really, it's sad how far this nation has gone down the road of sue-happy, irresponsible, and perpetual victimhood -- "caution, contents are hot" on a coffee cup? Are they serious? Of course it is, it's coffee! Anyone who doesn't know that doesn't belong having any.

What's next, pencils saying "caution - do not poke into eye" on the side?

All those warnings have come from someone doing something stupid at one time.

[evolkers2003]

Or they came from people being smart. Before we had to label all that stuff if i thought i could get a million dollers from MCD for burning myself on their coffee i know a lot of people would do it. But the few smart people are few and far between.


But back onto the fins. I dont see how they would blow off not making them biodegradable. If they are not that is a hue mistake and they will have to wait until they came out with ones that are biodegradable before they sell any. I just dont think Tiberius would overlook something like this.


And as for whether they are feasible because of not being hopper compatible? That has always been a concern with paintballs like these and that is why they never appeared before. However, Tiberius was able to also produce the gun and the clip and i can see them right away taking a good portion of the hardcore scenario players' money. But after that initial rush can they sustain sales? Its a cool idea so i hope so.

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the shell is made out of photo degradable plastic (sunlight breaks it down) and the whole thing but for the paint inside is made of this material

[EZD]

I remember back in the early 1990's a company that can out with a plastic paintball that they said would breakdown in three to four months. That is way to long for a high volume field like mine. I hope the technology has come a long way since then.

Put it in a glass of water and it better be gone in 7 days max!

[Thalion]

If they were cheaper, I'd buy a few and test the biodegrading in a few conditions (sun and whole, sun and broken, submerged and whole, submerged and broken).

I suspect they'll take too long to degrade for any field with medium to high volumes of paint.

All those warnings have come from someone doing something stupid at one time.

My point exactly -- people should know better than to be that stupid, and if they are, they have no one to blame but themselves.

You can't handhold someone from cradle to grave. I can understand a young child doing dumb things, but that is why they have parents/guardians for direction. A grown man (or woman in the case of the McDonalds coffee lawsuit) should know better, and should not be able to sue because they weren't explicitly told by the company that coffee is hot.

I could also understand a warning in documentation for a new invention or other relatively esoteric things that aren't common sense, but it's a bit ridiculous to have extremely obvious warnings about common items.

[Ish]

If they were cheaper, I'd buy a few and test the biodegrading in a few conditions (sun and whole, sun and broken, submerged and whole, submerged and broken).

I suspect they'll take too long to degrade for any field with medium to high volumes of paint.



heck if anyone knows where i could buy a few right now i would pickem up for the biodegrading tests

[brycelarson]

yeah, they shot better than regular paintballs - but I'll wait and see if they're a game changer. I'm one of those guys that likes to stand out in the open "beyond paintball range" and I suppose I'll have to consider if they guys on the other team now have these rounds or not.

the fins are plastic. they claim photo-degrading plastic but I don't know how fast. The ones I shot left the whole "skirt" intact - so there's certainly going to be parts left on the field. I suppose the best control on how many of these guys get fired is the $.75 price tag per shot. you're not going to have a guy dumping 1000 of these on a bunker.

[Cpt. Patches]

yeah i dont think the fins would be a problem out on the field because they would never bulk up for a fewreasons: one shot being nearly a dollar. The price of the equipment able to shoot it. And the fact that you almost HAVE to be a sniper because you can only take 8 shots at a time anyway.

but it looks like thse guys are actually gonna do it. and i think this would change the game a little bit, which to me sounds a little more fun because you have to look out from farther away instead of just standing out of range form where a normal gun can hit you. lol imagine if someone had the money to shoot a thousand of these at one bunker hahaha

[C4 Explosives]

yeah, they shot better than regular paintballs - but I'll wait and see if they're a game changer.

They certainly would be a game changer in military/law enforcement training and if these guys have a good business plan together they would go after government contracts first. This would be a big boost to their profit and they can eventually make it more affordable to the average player.

I've been thinking about paintball "bullets" for a long time, these guys figured it out by coming up with a new shape for the dies in the machines, but you can't tell me that the cost of a new set of dies and 10%-15% more shell material is gonna drive the cost of a ball up $.70, so it seems like gouging to me. Make the markers more expensive and sell the paint competitively.

This stuff is definitely more mil/sim and having a big hopper on a gun is not very realistic, but just like all weaponry advances are made so these guys could do well if they get their marketing/prices right. You could use these in a modified Q-Loader system.

[bullzeye]

I just thought about taking off the hopper and elbow on a 98c and hand load it. If you are a sniper you will only take one shot at a time.

[Cpt. Patches]

and with these "bullets" they would make the paintball sniper an undeniable reality.

[Thalion]

And now I'm glad they're expensive:

http://milsimempire.com/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=5116&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15

[evolkers2003]

i thought something like that might happen. if we start to see a problem fields might start banning them. We'll have to wait and see if this is a regular occurrence or just a freak accident.

[DaveJ]

I've had worse hits from normal balls. I do have some FS rounds and a conversion kit for my T9 on order, when it arrives I'll make sure to setup a demonstration day so we all can check it out and figure out all the fine details.

[evolkers2003]

I've had worse hits from normal balls. I do have some FS rounds and a conversion kit for my T9 on order, when it arrives I'll make sure to setup a demonstration day so we all can check it out and figure out all the fine details.

yea, but this was only 250 fps apparently at 30 ft which causes concern. 250 is pretty low and 30 ft isnt too far away but it definately isnt close.

[Me-109Jagdfleiger]

300a:) I got to agree if that was only at 250fps and at 30ft the 10ft rule would need to be extended alot... I wonder how bad it would be if you were in BDU's seeing as this guy was bare skin...
Jon sniper:)

[Hawk]

if fields dont start banning them, and if they biodegrade fast enough, it would be nice to have for a side arm. let alone with a sniper gun it would be insane. but unless the price drops dramatically, i'm not even going to bother.

[LoudThunder]

Ive just got my first batch of these in and the T9 Conversions should be here soon, and while yes the fins do seem abit hard. ANY shot from 30 feet away on bare skin will leave a nice welt. The slower FPS could also have had something to do with condition of the welt. Slower doesnt always mean safer or less painfull.

The thing with these are they arent made for the typical spray and pray player. These are for the sleepers/campers/snipers you know the slow shooters. sniper:)
And with the right player the 192 rounds per case can last a while. Now how many players have paid more then that for all the paint for a game. I know I have.

[evolkers2003]

whats the price on these bad boys? i havnt checked yet.



I hope these things dont turn into a problem where paintball needs to start using spotters like airsoft does with their snipers. I would imagine fields would ban them before we instituted a min distance for these things.

[LoudThunder]

whats the price on these bad boys? I havnt checked yet.



$142.80 for 24 8 Round tubes. total 192 rounds

[Me-109Jagdfleiger]

$142.80 :eek: i think the hefty price will be the main reason we dont see many of these.. I dont know any paintballers who would pay that price for only 148 rounds even if you could get some wicked shots... think how many cases of paint you could get for that price, i think we will still see quantity over quality, but thats just my 2 cents,
Jon sniper:)

[darkwraith]

definitely an interesting concept. but that would be so absolutely horrible to have to unscrew the barrel for every shot. gonna be interesting to see what kind of products come out in the future.

[Revenging Ewok]

who is selling these? I can't find a place that has them. I didn't even think they were out yet.

[LoudThunder]

who is selling these? I can't find a place that has them. I didn't even think they were out yet.

I am I dont have them up on my website because I dont have any pictures or description of them. BUT.....
I in fact just sent out all the first strikes I had on hand.

[brycelarson]

video! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpFsbZi84d8)

T9 in action on the tower field - test shot. cool stuff.

[Oldest Sage]

That's exactly what I want to see when I'm shooting at Bryce. :o

[Sarge]

I'm there on the tube. :)
But seriously these things are amazing, a lot easier to tell the difference in person.

[brycelarson]

That's exactly what I want to see when I'm shooting at Bryce. :o

what - me standing in the open with my nuts cupped in my hand?

[MayhemBrando]

So I have been wanting to get a scenario set up again. This company is pretty cool but for the price of the FS balls. Idk I would like to see a test between the FS and a striaght phantom pump. Obviously the FS would have better range. I think I could deal with moving up and extra twenty five feet. I would like to see those two go head to head and see what the shot spread is...

[WreckingCrew]

So I have been wanting to get a scenario set up again. This company is pretty cool but for the price of the FS balls. Idk I would like to see a test between the FS and a striaght phantom pump. Obviously the FS would have better range. I think I could deal with moving up and extra twenty five feet. I would like to see those two go head to head and see what the shot spread is...


Getting tired of the "Pink lady"?

[brycelarson]

we're going to clamp the gun down and do an accuracy test.

[MayhemBrando]

Getting tired of the "Pink lady"?

Nope

I just kinda miss my g36 set up....
but I have always wanted a pump too... lol maybe a pink phantom! haha

If Bryce does a test that will make my choice a bit easier.

[brycelarson]

Nope

I just kinda miss my g36 set up....
but I have always wanted a pump too... lol maybe a pink phantom! haha

If Bryce does a test that will make my choice a bit easier.

there is more than accuracy as well. the range possible with these guys is amazing.

also, since the trajectory is really flat - you can shoot under stuff. You can't see it in the video - but that shot on me was under some branches. Shooting a regular paintball gun you have to weave the balls through the branches to reach the same distance.

we'll do the accuracy and then try to get some crazy long shots on tape. We have two of the T9's. One has a red-dot - the other has a 4x scope on a 15 degree wedge. They said that the 15 degree wedge should make the gun good out to 140 YARDS. yes, 420 feet! We'll try it out and see.

[MayhemBrando]

there is more than accuracy as well. the range possible with these guys is amazing.

also, since the trajectory is really flat - you can shoot under stuff. You can't see it in the video - but that shot on me was under some branches. Shooting a regular paintball gun you have to weave the balls through the branches to reach the same distance.

we'll do the accuracy and then try to get some crazy long shots on tape. We have two of the T9's. One has a red-dot - the other has a 4x scope on a 15 degree wedge. They said that the 15 degree wedge should make the gun good out to 140 YARDS. yes, 420 feet! We'll try it out and see.

I understand about the range thing but, lol I have no problem with getting close to people and shooting them. Idk to spend a 140 bones on that few of rounds when I can simply just take a phantom and move twenty feet closer is a better option unless the FS has a tighter shot pattern and then you add the distance I can reason with shelling out some money for it.

[Oldest Sage]

what - me standing in the open with my nuts cupped in my hand?
Works for me...and makes you a lot easier to hit.laughing:)